Carrie and Joel’s relationship is a hot topic on here (and other places) because of their whirlwind romance and how they portray themselves on social media. There are rumours they’re the laughingstock of the West End due to their over-the-top display of affection on social media, how they respond to the backlash and the speed of their relationship.
Within 5 months of their first date they were engaged. They eloped in February 2023, making it 9 months after their first date. There are rumours of her family’s disapproval due to their elopement and lack of engagement with her family on social media.
Here's an approximate timeline of their relationship, worked out by Tattler Sanctified:
14th January 2022: Oliver breaks up with Carrie out of the blue, after they had been in a serious relationship for 5 years. 3rd May: First Date and moved in together
4th May: Carrie and Joel posted gifs hinting they were in new relationships. Carrie's was from The Holiday (a romcom in which Kate Winslet and Jack Black fall in love), hinting at Joel who shares some similarities to Black's character. 6th May: Carrie posted that she had "found herself suddenly plunged into immense happiness." 7th May: A Tattle user reported from a mutual friend that Carrie and Joel were dating. Later that day they confirmed the relationship on Instagram. 8th May: Carrie and Joel announce the relationship on Facebook. July 17th: Their first holiday together (to Croatia) 21st October: Joel proposes to Carrie 22nd October: Birthday posts on Carrie’s stories show a "Congratulations on Your Engagement" balloon in the background and a ring on Carrie's finger. 25th October: Carrie and Joel announce the engagement and it is reported on in the Daily Mail. Carrie said that they would have liked to keep the news quiet for a while but had to pre-empt the Mail article. 1st March 2023: Carrie and Joel announce they got married in February 2023, just before Valentine's Day.
Here's the "plunged into happiness" story from Carrie and the gif Joel posted.
Since the start their relationship, Joel has frequently displayed signs of worrying behaviour. Here are just a few examples:
Love bombing with gifts and overly affectionate on social media posts
Moved into Carrie’s house the night of their first date
Inserting himself into Carrie's family very quickly
12 Days of Joelmas and appearing angry at her going on holiday without him
Getting a massive tattoo for Carrie when she was in Florida with Scott
Courting Carrie’s fans
Life completely evolves around Carrie
LOVE OUT LOUD
Carrie and Joel's constant PDA and overly gushing posts about each other became so intense that Tattle was flying through threads on the daily. Tattle was not the only place to notice, there was lots of discussion on other forums and across social media too. Here's a small selection of the PDA and gushing posts they've uploaded:
Tattle dubbed this their “LOVE OUT LOUD” behaviour.
Tattlers noticed Joel would often post about Carrie on his instagram with "so proud" or "iconic" captions. Following discussion on here, Carrie started to do it too. It's become so predictable now you know what Joel is going to post as soon as Carrie does something.
In Love With Her Phone
Tattlers have noticed she’s constantly on her phone around Joel and seems to be in love with her phone more than her (now) husband.
Look of Love
With Joel filming Carrie so much, Tattlers have noticed she doesn't always look so happy and in love with him.
Here are some pictures we're regularly asked about like Joel as Shrek and his massive Dr Strange tattoo (that Carrie still hasn't acknowledged).
Joel played the lead in Shrek: The Musical at his amateur theatre company in Crewe. His costume was…terrifying.
Carrie reposted fan artwork and somebody pointed out the "Joel" in the drawing looked more like the human version of Shrek than the actual Joel.
Joel got a “in all the universes” tattoo on his forearm in the Disney-style font whilst Carrie was in Florida celebrating her 30th birthday. The quote comes from the Dr Strange in the Multiverse of Madness film they saw on their first date. Carrie also has a tattoo (of planets) for the same movie.
Carrie knitted Joel a scarf for Christmas and showed it in one of her videos. She admitted to using up scraps of wool she had left and ended up with, what Tattlers have dubbed, The Amazing Technicolour Scarf. Joel professed to "love it" but was only seen wearing it once.
Joel has this very annoying habit of reposting any stories he's tagged in on instagram and will continue to post a repost of his own repost until there's an ever growing tunnel of reposted stories.
In July 2022, Carrie and Joel went on their first holiday together to Croatia. It was the holiday that just kept on giving as this is where the asscrack twins were born (they uploaded nudist beach pictures), they argued with people whilst on holiday, Joel's budgie smugglers and they engaged in even more PDA.
These are just a small selection of what they were posting from this holiday:
Joel uploaded a reel with Craig David's 7 Days song and showed videos of them on their holiday. When it got to the "making love" part of the song he showed them making out in their hotel room! They got a lot of backlash (and not just from Tattle) for their oversharing on this holiday. You can view the reel here but it you've been warned!
In true Carrie fashion, she was arguing with fans whilst on holiday. These are some of the DMs:
Joel booked a holiday to Disneyland Paris for Carrie's 30th in January 2023. It was the first time to two Disney adults went to a Disney park together. Carrie bought another Loungefly bag for the trip, cried when she was walking down Main Street towards the castle, took pictures of her engagement ring in front of the castle and wore their "I asked, she said yes" Disney engagement tops, created their new "first ride tradition", wore matching Disney jumpers that look like diarrhoea, Joel bought her a "Montague" top, and ate in the Disneyland park rather than go to good places in Paris.
We also got this jump-scare sponsored post for Joel's favourite budgie smugglers.
The close up of their kiss shows it's a bit of a weird placement.
Carrie and Joel were engaged within 5 months of meeting and married within 9 months. Their engagement was 'leaked' to the press so they decided to elope to Gretna Green in February 2023.
Engagement (and the leak)
On 22nd October 2022, Joel posted a story of Carrie showing off some of her birthday presents. She reposted it to her own Instagram stories. A “Congratulations on Your Engagement” balloon was clearly shown in the background and there was a ring spotted on Carrie’s finger. Tattle detectives noticed this, and we started flying through threads discussing a possible engagement. Carrie made no mention of their engagement on her social media accounts.
Carrie posted a story about being "overwhelmed".
A day or two later, Carrie, Scott and her family then went to Disneyland Florida to celebrate Carrie’s 30th birthday. This trip was booked before her relationship with Joel started.
Tattlers noticed Carrie continued to wear a ring on that finger and continued to discuss the possibility of an engagement.
Carrie then posted about having the best weekend of her life so by this post Tattlers were convinced she was engaged.
On 25th October 2022, Carrie and Joel publicly announced their engagement. They stated they wanted to keep it “private” but were forced to announce it after the Daily Mail rang Gi Fletcher’s publicist, Carrie’s sister-in-law, asking for a comment on their engagement.
Joel later confirmed on a livestream that the proposal happened on 21st October, the day before Carrie’s 30th birthday. He took her on a treasure hunt then proposed at the theatre where he’s currently performing as King George III in Hamilton. They have both stated the proposal is just for the two of them but have continued to release more and more pictures and information about it.
Tom looked thrilled with the news...
Whilst Carrie was still in Florida, she and Joel spent the entire day sharing photos and videos about the engagement on their socials. Of course they were also deleting critical comments too. Joel shared over 100 images on his instagram of the same congratulations from fans.
He also posted some photos from the proposal which showed an engraved pumpkin with “Mr and Mrs Montague, 3rd May 2022” on it. This confused people as it looked like the wedding date when it was actually their first date. Tattlers had a good laugh about this as it demonstrated how short their relationship has been as well as the hilarity of “pumpkin” being the nickname between Carrie and her ex-Oliver.
There was some speculation that they were already married as Carrie was seen wearing a second ring next to her engagement ring. She ended up posting about it saying it was a "safety ring" because her engagement ring was too big and she was worried about losing it.
How It Began Live
Carrie and Joel did a "How It Began" live on their new shared instagram account, All Things Montague, that described their engagement. She had a cut on her finger that wouldn't stop bleeding during the live so she was constantly sucking it and then got up to get a plaster for it. This is how Carrie looked when talking about their engagement...
She admitted to having a feeling about the proposal and initially saying no to the plan that Joel had put together. He had collaborated with Theatre Café to do a treasure hunt around theatres that meant something to Carrie. It was arranged for a morning that Joel was also free, and as Carrie and Joel were so used to spending all of their free time together, Carrie knew something was up when Joel said he had to record for a friend and couldn't spend the day with her. Carrie turned down the job offer from Theatre Café so Joel had to get Scott involved to make sure she would be there.
All About The Ring
Following their engagement, Carrie posted a strange instagram post where she mentioned her engagement ring multiple times but didn't mention Joel by name once.
She also answered a Q&A about how Edgar felt about the engagement rather flippantly...
Carrie and Joel have done a couple of Q&As on their All Things Montague account and here are some of their answers. Questions included Carrie changing her name, the proposal, Carrie's ring, vlogging their wedding and which fictional characters they are most alike as a couple... with Joel picking a child for Carrie.
Gretna Green Wedding
Well a rushed engagement wasn’t enough for Carrie and Joel because they ended up eloping less than a year after they started dating!
Just like with the “secret engagement”, Carrie and Joel were wearing wedding rings that were clearly on show on their social media.
They confirmed their marriage on Wednesday 1st March 2023 by posting a picture teasing their Hello magazine article. They eloped to Gretna Green and were married a couple of days before Valentine’s Day.
In typical Carrie-fashion, the story around whether their families were aware of their elopement or not has gone through a few changes. It was mentioned in the article that she Facetimed Tom and Gi the night before to let them know. She’s since changed her story to “her family knew weeks in advance they just didn’t know the exact date because I didn’t want them rocking up”.
They were married in front of witnesses who worked at Gretna Green then went to the canteen for cheese and onion sandwiches afterwards.
Hello Magazine article
The "now official" (Joel's words) Montagues bragged of selling the wedding photos to Hello magazine. The article amusingly introduced Carrie as Tom's sister and mentioned she and Joel had been dating for less than a year when they married. It also stated that he moved in with her the night of their first date! Carrie justified the hasty wedding by saying the Daily Mail had "ruined" her engagement news, and she didn’t want a repeat for her wedding. She also stated she didn’t want her wedding to become “a performance” yet sold the photos to a magazine and created a reel for her social media?
Tom shared Carrie's wedding announcement on insta stories with no comment, and in between mundane content about his writing and keeping chickens.
They said they eloped because everything they do is a performance and they didn't want that for the happiest day of their lives. They were also "terrified that people would turn up".
Of course there were some negative responses to their news and Carrie was replying to them in the comments...
Carrie admitted she was awful at hiding her rings so was glad the announcement was out now.
Carrie allegedly posted on her finsta half an hour before the "official" announcement, again mentioning her breakup with Oliver. Some friends only found out through this post or via WhatsApp messages very shortly before the announcement.
All Things Montague
Within days of their engagement being announced, Tattle detectives noticed an “All Things Montague” Instagram account. A couple of days later they started posting about this account on their own stories. They said the account was to showcase their relationship, but their wedding plans would remain completely private.
Note the incorrect apostrophe in their name, as well as the order of their first names and the pronouns, making it look like Carrie's pronouns are he/him and Joel's she/her. Both of these things were fixed after it was discussed on Tattle.
Their posting styles changed after this account was recreated, with less about their relationship on their personal accounts and more of it on this one.
Tattlers speculated over what caused this shift in behaviour. Was it because Carrie was busy with panto or did Joel’s bosses have a word with him following complaints on their social media about his behaviour?
The one thing that Carrie says whenever asked “what do you love about Joel?” is how “nobody has a bad thing to say about him”. Tattlers started to notice he didn’t actually come across as the nicest guy on his social media accounts and was prone to frequent outbursts and rants.
In March 2023, Joel uploaded a photo of a Land Rover parked slightly over the line of the parking bay. He then spent the next couple of hours arguing with people in the comments before deleting the entire post.
It started off with some agreeing and others disagreeing.
Then he started getting more negative comments and continued to engage with them.
Then he got really nasty and told one of the commentors to stand down.
STRANDED in the CAPTIAL CITY OF FRANCE!!!
In January 2023, Carrie and Joel went on a holiday to Disneyland Paris and planned to follow it up with a couple of days in Iceland. The Disney trip gave us some painfully staged photos; Carrie going to her (separate) bed early and in full-length pyjamas; and Joel sharing their exact location in the park, blissfully ignorant of safety. You know it's bad when even Carrie is being more careful!
However, their flight to Iceland was cancelled, and Carrie and Joel had to spend an extra night in Paris. Joel angrily tweeted at the airline, complaining about the cancelled (due to bad weather) flight and how the airline had not booked a hotel room for them and only offered €150 compensation towards the cost of a room. . After all, he and Carrie were stranded in the CAPTIAL CITY OF FRANCE!!!! (Yes, he really did spell capital wrong)
The capitalisation and spelling mistake became a much-loved joke between Tattlers so if you see different things referred to as the CAPTIAL of SOMETHING know that this is where it originated from.
People replied to his tweets with easy to find hotel rooms, proving they were far from destitute with their measly €150 compensation for a hotel room, and then they were blocked.
They went to the airport the morning of their flight and continued to post on their personal and All Things Montague accounts criticising the company for cancelling the flight.
After all that, Carrie ended up admitting their extra day in Paris ended up being the favourite part of their trip.
And of course Joel made an "Iceland we are in you" joke once they got there.
Joel uploaded some videos to his instagram account (pre-Carrie) as a direct complaint to Apple. Tattlers were shocked at the entitlement and anger shown in the videos. He also did his usual of picking at his face throughout the duration of the videos.
Joel made the rookie mistake of not changing the privacy settings on his Facebook account, so when Tattlers started noticing a mean streak to him, they went digging and found more of his rants on there.
This is a rant about amateur theatre awards (regarding his and his Mum’s theatre school in Crewe).
This rant is about casting for one of the amateur theatre shows.
This one’s about an amateur production of Grease.
This post is thanking a reviewer for a not-so-great review.
This one took place whilst he was on holiday.
This one is about political correctness.
This was a random post about student and teacher relationships.
Tony Awards observation (not a rant)
His “overweight boring twat, with bedside manner of Hitler” rant.
Twitter & Instagram
Joel also has a couple rants from his twitter and instagram account.
Israel hotel rant.
Thought of the day, I’m over it rant.
Here he is replying to a transphobe and seemingly siding with them?
He’s not afraid to have a go at companies when something goes wrong. These include screenshots from his tweets to Halifax, Heathrow and a DBS review.
His Love Island joke, retweeting Caroline Flack in 2018.
Defending SA Allegations
A Tattler called LilytheSunflower posted about how she messaged Joel following his story praising Cristiano Ronaldo. These are their messages discussing the SA allegations against Ronaldo and Joel defending him. He ended the messages with "thank you and respectfully take note".
12 Days of Joelmas
A couple of days after their engagement, Carrie went to Disneyland Florida without Joel. Carrie left Joel a present for each day she was away, and hee opened them on lives each day. Tattlers, and then Carrie, nicknamed this “12 Days of Joelmas”. Many Tattlers joked it's proof that Carrie reads her threads on here because we were the only ones calling it this.
Throughout these lives, Joel appeared very down and actually came across as frustrated and angry that Carrie had gone away without him. He said things like “I don’t do well without her” and “I proposed and then she went on holiday” as if Carrie going away was a slight against him. Even though she'd booked the holiday months in advance and probably even before she and Joel started dating. When Carrie came home, he said their “hiatus” was over now, as if their relationship was on pause whilst she was on holiday.
The presents consisted of things like food delivery vouchers, pez sweets and M&Ms so many Tattlers joked she had picked up the presents in the checkout aisle of the local supermarket. Other presents were candles and nespresso coffee so we joked about them being leftover from her sponsored posts. She also gave him a dog water bottle (he left his dog at home when he moved to London/in with Carrie), toys and a bowl.
As usual, Joel's face was very expressive during the lives.
This is a picture of all the presents together.
Jason Manford commented on one of the videos and this was Joel's reply.
The lives got some negative comments too, pointing out he was being a little dramatic given she was only on holiday for less than two week.
Since the very beginning of their relationship, Joel has been cosying up to the Fletcher family. He regularly tags them on his social media, reposts their own posts that have nothing to do with him (like Tom and Gi’s kids) to his stories and is always in their comment section. This is just a small selection of the posts he's done.
When the Fletcher family went to Florida, he was constantly reposting their posts to his stories, with passive aggressive comments about wishing he was there with them.
He comments on a lot of their posts too, even calling Tom 'brother' when he and Carrie were only recently engaged.
During Carrie’s 30th birthday Florida holiday, he had t-shirts made for all of them to wear whilst they were there. The design was based on The Incredibles with the logo an F for the Fletcher family instead of the original I. The Fletchers posted pictures of them wearing these t-shirts and then Joel showed he had his own version of the t-shirt too!
His post about the t-shirts came across as quite resentful at being at not being in Florida with them. One of his fans photoshopped him into the Fletcher Florida picture so he started posting that too.
No Longer Carrie
Joel tends to refer to Carrie as anything but her name. Even before they were married Joel would refer to her as “my wife”.
Whether it’s posts about her professional career or things about their day-to-day lives, he will refer to Carrie as “soulmate” or “fiancé” or “wife”. Again, this is just a small selection of screenshots showing him doing this.
Making a Friend's Wedding About Them
In a post to celebrate his best friend’s wedding (that Carrie didn't even attend), Joel managed to make it about him and Carrie.
Courting Carrie's Fans
Joel seems to revel in the new fame he’s receiving since starting his relationship with Carrie. His social media following his skyrocketed since they announced their relationship, and he continues to insert himself into things relating to Carrie and her fans.
At the closing of Cinderella, he was seen talking to many of her fans and even singing their Cinderella merchandise.
Comparing Acting to Schizophrenia
Joel appeared on 'The Working Actor Show' podcast that was released 7th March 2023. His episode was titled 'The Realities of The Industry with West-End Legend Joel Montague'.