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Sunshine&clouds

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Can someone please clarify what is is that women are supposed to be doing in 2021 to ensure complete strangers do not consider them lazy? I had thought that, at least in the Western world, the tide was turning enough for them to be able to concentrate on being mums or be allowed to enjoy making a home and basically make their own choices, without being called lazy and a failure. But somehow I seem to have gone into a parallel universe where it is still 1950 and women are expected to do what they are told to do, except it's mostly other women who are both condemning and making decisions for them. It's incredibly sad.

Kate comes from a close knit family and has made no secret of wanting a happy family of her own. She seems to be a good mum, is one of the most popular royals and is sticking it out, despite years of abuse from the public. Arguably she's done a better job than Harry in terms of her royal role. Yes there were the short dresses and the wind, which I thought was awful and unnecessary. But she's learning and is a safe pair of hands, which frankly is what most people both within the RF and beyond want.
 
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Vanillaco

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Well, she looked great straight after giving birth and it takes courage to present herself and the baby right after birth.
She got her figure back within a few days and always looks immaculate - hair and clothes, she might look frumpy but she dresses in a way that is still appropriate when she is Queen Consort and photos live forever.
She also always dresses appropriately.

When she participated in this sailing competition she wore shorts and her legs were so trained, it was astonishing.

Yes, she has a PT for sure, but all of the above still takes discipline - she might have the time, but she still needs to exercise


Eugenie and Bea don’t have the same track record of dressing well and Meghan neither - all of them have been criticized for how they dress (and some of their outfits were really bad) and Meghan also didn’t bounce back after pregnancy so quickly etc
Bouncing back after pregnancy is not an accomplishment and it is incredibly damaging to women to make it one.
 
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Clansman

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I told you in my experience people with depression do not laugh or look happy. As you know seeing as you’re so defensive there are many forms of depression both mild and severe. I have 3 family members suffering from depression one of whom killed himself and he certainly didn’t go around laughing and joking beforehand. Another has been Sectioned on three occasions and I never saw them laughing or joking either.

Yes it is damaging to spread these rumours of an affair. Very damaging as there are young children involved and it’s spread all over social media.
just in response to this, I am diagnosed with severe depression and anxiety. I self harm and have tried to commit suicide multiple times. Very few people know I suffer because when I am with others I put on a brave face, smile and be happy. These comments are very judgemental and behind reasons why when I do reach out some people don't believe me. It may be different from the people you know but such generalisations is damaging and adding to stigma
 
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Who is rumoured to be having an affair ?
Prince William apparently. With Rose Hanbury. LOTS of rumours circling that she was Kate's best friend and the four of them all used to socialise together but in recent months Kate has frozen her out.

And that is the real reason for the frostiness between William and Harry, nothing to do with Meghan and Kate not getting on. Harry is livid since it was what their father did to Diana and look how that turned out.

Alot of high profile people have pretty much confirmed it is true but the British Media are not touching it.
 
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Strawberry-pot

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I love Kate. Met her at an RMP event a few years ago and she was honestly lovely and genuine. I get angry when people say horrible things about her as she seemed so genuine and kind and actually listened to all the military wives and what he had to say. I think George was about a year old and when someone Asked her if it was nerve racking announcing George’s birth and how she looked amazing after giving birth and Kate looked really sad and said “ I felt like the world was judging me for looking the way. I didn’t feel good inside but if I came out in my slouchy clothes I would have been torn apart” which is so true. I feel she does so much for the royals and is such a positive role model despite what you might think
 
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JulesyEire

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Private and personal yet was photographed? I would have expected a royal to pay their respects. It was never going to be private and personal when there were photographers around to capture it.

Not slating her for going but pointing out that it wasn't a private thing to do
She is damed if she does and she is damed if she doesn’t!! It was private as it was in a private capacity not a public capacity!! She wasn’t there as an official royal!! There was no fanfare!! She walked in stood for a few mins and then walked away from what I can see!! Hardly anyone around her really noticed her!! It’s just the cameras coped her! They were just lucky, otherwise they would not have seen her
 
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Vanillaco

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She’s 39, and there’s a prevalent rumor that she’s actually 43 😛 So I wouldn’t really say “woman in her 30s”
Don't tell me- Archie is a robot/ dummy/ child actor and she's not really pregnant, she's shoved a pillow up her jumper? Is Harry being held hostage/ brainwashed/ being blackmailed by an international criminal underworld entirely controlled by Meghan Markle, or is he also a robot?
 
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Well, she looked great straight after giving birth and it takes courage to present herself and the baby right after birth.
She got her figure back within a few days and always looks immaculate - hair and clothes, she might look frumpy but she dresses in a way that is still appropriate when she is Queen Consort and photos live forever.
She also always dresses appropriately.

When she participated in this sailing competition she wore shorts and her legs were so trained, it was astonishing.

Yes, she has a PT for sure, but all of the above still takes discipline - she might have the time, but she still needs to exercise


Eugenie and Bea don’t have the same track record of dressing well and Meghan neither - all of them have been criticized for how they dress (and some of their outfits were really bad) and Meghan also didn’t bounce back after pregnancy so quickly etc
Are we seriously ranking women over who has bounced back better after pregnancy? This is wrong and sends completely the wrong message to any woman. Encouraging women to focus on their appearance and looking pleasing for others when they've given birth is dangerous and just reinforces pressure on women and the focus on appearances over substance.
 
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Chocolate2008

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It's shameful that William didn't express empathy for his brother and instead went straight into defensive mode.

The problem with that statement from teH qUeEn is that she has presumed to speak for the whole family. They are not a single unit, except when defending pedophiles. By making a statement that says recollections may vary they want to hide their hands and say they "misremember" when obviously there's not two ways to interpret a statement that enquires about your unborn child's skin colour.

People have said it is likely Prince Charles who made the statement, but I am sure it could also have been William. I'd have expect him to deny it was him or Kate but he hasn't. This truly disgusting family is exactly like the mafia. They will defend the most vile behaviour of their members as long as it fits their narrative.

Didn't Princess Anne wear a black head on a brooch when she met Meghan for the first time?
???? “Went straight into defensive mode.” All the man said was that he hasn’t spoken to his brother yet but will be, and in answer to the “is the Royal family a racist family?” he said “we are very much not a racist family”. All said in the tone in which I’ve normally heard him speak, he didn’t appear emotional & certainly not defensive.

IMO the Royal family have a lot of problems (starting with Andrew) but they have dealt well with this. They are not about to get into a public tit for tat.

Does Harry have much empathy for William? He claimed to while at the same time allowing his wife to throw Kate under a bus & claiming his family/the firm were jealous of how good Meghan was at the job after their first tour. Harry seems to constantly demanding empathy & mentioning his mother, who was also his brother’s mother, there’s only 2/3 between them. Harry said a few years ago that he struggles with anger & he clearly does. Harry needs constructive therapy not Oprah. Within families people get sick of one person constantly playing the victim. His life hasn’t been harder than William’s.

I suspect the Queen is giving W&K a chance to enjoy their young family which she herself was denied. Charles is there anyway plus Anne & Edward so there is no need for W&K to do more. When he is king it’ll all be on them anyway
 
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Duchesspink

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I cant even look on the Harry and Meghan one. Im glad this one hasn't gone the same way.
I'm dying to read reaction to the interview last night and have a balanced conversation about it but know it won't happen on their thread here.

I would love to know the story of what happened, who cried, what could make 2 grown women argue over a kids dress and why Kate let it remain in the press that she had been made to cry when it wasn't true.

I think Kate is far from the angelic figure she comes across as.
 
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hannah123

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How do you know Carol only married him for money? Are you a relative? It's hugely misogynistic for people to keep the trope going that women only marry for money. It's 2021.
Finally someone said it, I’ve seen Carol be called a social climber so much on this thread and on twitter, like a middle class person can’t possibly fall in love with the working class. It’s classist and sexist, but most social climbers and gold diggers that are marrying purely for gain, don’t stick around for 40 odd years in a marriage.

My mum used to get the party pieces booklet delivered when I was a kid, we could never afford a birthday party but I loved looking through it and planning what I’d get if I could. They sold really cool bits or kids.
 
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Kate was 2.5 weeks postpartum when the supposed incident happened, and Meghan was dealing with her dads fall out and wedding. Likely both stressed.

The rumour is that Charlotte no longer fitted into her dress, and that there was an argument over whether the kids should wear tights.
 
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Suzesnooze

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I don't believe it at all. If it were true, I doubt Kate would look so happy today walking into Westminster Abbey with Harry. The rumours have probably being put out there by Meghan's PR!

William and Kate always look very happy. However, if a few years from now there is rumours about Harry being unfaithful to Meghan I would well believe it!
 
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Tots

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Can someone please clarify what is is that women are supposed to be doing in 2021 to ensure complete strangers do not consider them lazy? I had thought that, at least in the Western world, the tide was turning enough for them to be able to concentrate on being mums or be allowed to enjoy making a home and basically make their own choices, without being called lazy and a failure. But somehow I seem to have gone into a parallel universe where it is still 1950 and women are expected to do what they are told to do, except it's mostly other women who are both condemning and making decisions for them. It's incredibly sad.

Kate comes from a close knit family and has made no secret of wanting a happy family of her own. She seems to be a good mum, is one of the most popular royals and is sticking it out, despite years of abuse from the public. Arguably she's done a better job than Harry in terms of her royal role. Yes there were the short dresses and the wind, which I thought was awful and unnecessary. But she's learning and is a safe pair of hands, which frankly is what most people both within the RF and beyond want.
I couldn’t agree with you more!
The Kate bashing on this thread is awful. I think the Queen hugely struggled at the beginning with the burden placed on her and not being able to enjoy time with her husband and young children. I don’t think she wants that for her grandchildren so for William and Kate at the moment whilst their children are young, the focus is rightly on their family. When William is King, they will no longer have that choice but for now they do.
They still work hard as royals, they come across as extremely empathetic to me & kind and caring. They also seem happy as individuals and as a couple.
 
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I think Kate is a good catch for William. She is loyal and diplomatic, beautiful and talented - look at her sports talent and athletic body, her accomplishments in photography and her grace and charm when at engagements.

She might not be perfect - but let's face it: she is above average and most of us couldn't even compete with her.
 
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lexiloo

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its a funny one, on one hand I want to say no way did this happen but on the other im inclined to believe there is at least some truth in it, William might seem too wet or too vanilla but lets not forget Charles was the biggest wet lettuce going yet still sent Camilla messages saying he wished he was a tampon so he could be inside her.....shudder!
 
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Kate made a private visit to Clapham Common today to pay her respects to Sarah Everard. I have a huge amount of respect for her for that. I’m sure Camp Sussex will play it off as a PR stunt but her facial expression says it all to me.
 
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