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Sorry I don't remember every detail of a long post from almost 24 hours ago 🙄

The creepy things were caressing his face, asking him to watch a show, asking him to stay when he went to leave and I'm sure there are more.

I am just saying if the sexes were reversed, everyone would be saying that he was inappropriate to misinterpret friendliness as something more.
He likes hugging me (he instigates it, I don't), and it is like he holds me really tightly to his body for a long time, it's not a friendly general hug. He frequently hugs me goodbye, walks away a bit, then comes back and asks for another hug. He writes me long emails about how great I am. He invents reasons to stay back after the work day and talk to me. Every day. He buys me drinks and snacks which he doesn't do for anyone else, even though we all work in a shared room. He is very shy and hasn't dated before, and we are both autistic, so this does affect how we interact vs how other people interact. It is hard for both of us to read signals.

Stroking a finger down his face when he has deliberately come alone to my hotel room and said he wants to stay isn't creepy, imo, because he smiled and seemed happy. But then I only stroked his face once, because I thought 'If he wants to reciprocate, he will, I won't touch him again.'

Asking him to watch a show also wasn't creepy - he invites himself to my lunches alone, or invites me for drinks after work, all the time. We talk a lot about tv shows and we'd talked about this one, so I asked if he wanted to watch it. We were off the clock, and we're really friendly when we're off the clock. After we'd watched one episode of the show, he asked me if I was up for one more. So obviously he wanted to stay and wasn't uncomfortable with watching the tv with me.

You're getting defensive, and I'm not going to accept criticism for a way I haven't behaved.

Edit: I am autistic, to the difficulty level that I was in special school. Now I have built my own business. It's very painful for me to know that I can't read signals like everyone else and I worry all the time that people don't like me - this is standard for autistic people, especially women. I often feel stupid for having people tell me "This person's intentions were obvious" when they were not obvious to me. This isn't me being horrible or deluded, it's me doing my absolute best.

In my mind, if he was not interested, he wouldn't try to get me alone every day, he wouldn't invite me to socialise all the time, he wouldn't specifically buy me snacks and drinks, he wouldn't always be telling me I was beautiful and special. If I've misread that, well I thought I was in with a chance at a relationship with someone I like and now it's turning out that I'm not. I don't know why people have been calling me creepy and delusional. It's hurtful, especially when it's based on ideas that people are making up that are opposite to what I've explained.

I do not feel entitled to a relationship with this man, I am saying that I'm sad because I thought he liked me and now I'm finding mixed signals and realising I can't push forward anymore. Please stop accusing me of things I haven't done.
 
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He likes hugging me (he instigates it, I don't), and it is like he holds me really tightly to his body for a long time, it's not a friendly general hug. He frequently hugs me goodbye, walks away a bit, then comes back and asks for another hug. He writes me long emails about how great I am. He invents reasons to stay back after the work day and talk to me. Every day. He buys me drinks and snacks which he doesn't do for anyone else, even though we all work in a shared room. He is very shy and hasn't dated before, and we are both autistic, so this does affect how we interact vs how other people interact. It is hard for both of us to read signals.

Stroking a finger down his face when he has deliberately come alone to my hotel room and said he wants to stay isn't creepy, imo, because he smiled and seemed happy. But then I only stroked his face once, because I thought 'If he wants to reciprocate, he will, I won't touch him again.'

Asking him to watch a show also wasn't creepy - he invites himself to my lunches alone, or invites me for drinks after work, all the time. We talk a lot about tv shows and we'd talked about this one, so I asked if he wanted to watch it. We were off the clock, and we're really friendly when we're off the clock. After we'd watched one episode of the show, he asked me if I was up for one more. So obviously he wanted to stay and wasn't uncomfortable with watching the tv with me.

You're getting defensive, and I'm not going to accept criticism for a way I haven't behaved.

Edit: I am autistic, to the difficulty level that I was in special school. Now I have built my own business. It's very painful for me to know that I can't read signals like everyone else and I worry all the time that people don't like me - this is standard for autistic people, especially women. I often feel stupid for having people tell me "This person's intentions were obvious" when they were not obvious to me. This isn't me being horrible or deluded, it's me doing my absolute best.

In my mind, if he was not interested, he wouldn't try to get me alone every day, he wouldn't invite me to socialise all the time, he wouldn't specifically buy me snacks and drinks, he wouldn't always be telling me I was beautiful and special. If I've misread that, well I thought I was in with a chance at a relationship with someone I like and now it's turning out that I'm not. I don't know why people have been calling me creepy and delusional. It's hurtful, especially when it's based on ideas that people are making up that are opposite to what I've explained.

I do not feel entitled to a relationship with this man, I am saying that I'm sad because I thought he liked me and now I'm finding mixed signals and realising I can't push forward anymore. Please stop accusing me of things I haven't done.
Just to say, remember people see things very black and white when they’re not emotionally invested in something. Everyone has an easy and quick solution that they would “definitely do” 🙄 when it’s not actually their lives.

In reality we’ve all been there, the does he/doesn’t he like/want me. It’s frustrating and confusing and I hear ya!
 
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He likes hugging me (he instigates it, I don't), and it is like he holds me really tightly to his body for a long time, it's not a friendly general hug. He frequently hugs me goodbye, walks away a bit, then comes back and asks for another hug. He writes me long emails about how great I am. He invents reasons to stay back after the work day and talk to me. Every day. He buys me drinks and snacks which he doesn't do for anyone else, even though we all work in a shared room. He is very shy and hasn't dated before, and we are both autistic, so this does affect how we interact vs how other people interact. It is hard for both of us to read signals.

Stroking a finger down his face when he has deliberately come alone to my hotel room and said he wants to stay isn't creepy, imo, because he smiled and seemed happy. But then I only stroked his face once, because I thought 'If he wants to reciprocate, he will, I won't touch him again.'

Asking him to watch a show also wasn't creepy - he invites himself to my lunches alone, or invites me for drinks after work, all the time. We talk a lot about tv shows and we'd talked about this one, so I asked if he wanted to watch it. We were off the clock, and we're really friendly when we're off the clock. After we'd watched one episode of the show, he asked me if I was up for one more. So obviously he wanted to stay and wasn't uncomfortable with watching the tv with me.

You're getting defensive, and I'm not going to accept criticism for a way I haven't behaved.

Edit: I am autistic, to the difficulty level that I was in special school. Now I have built my own business. It's very painful for me to know that I can't read signals like everyone else and I worry all the time that people don't like me - this is standard for autistic people, especially women. I often feel stupid for having people tell me "This person's intentions were obvious" when they were not obvious to me. This isn't me being horrible or deluded, it's me doing my absolute best.

In my mind, if he was not interested, he wouldn't try to get me alone every day, he wouldn't invite me to socialise all the time, he wouldn't specifically buy me snacks and drinks, he wouldn't always be telling me I was beautiful and special. If I've misread that, well I thought I was in with a chance at a relationship with someone I like and now it's turning out that I'm not. I don't know why people have been calling me creepy and delusional. It's hurtful, especially when it's based on ideas that people are making up that are opposite to what I've explained.

I do not feel entitled to a relationship with this man, I am saying that I'm sad because I thought he liked me and now I'm finding mixed signals and realising I can't push forward anymore. Please stop accusing me of things I haven't done.
It is a really difficult one to call. Do you think he could be pulling back because of the boss/employee dynamic? You could both be on the same page with it.
 
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It is a really difficult one to call. Do you think he could be pulling back because of the boss/employee dynamic? You could both be on the same page with it.
I think it is something like this. Everyone who knows me who I have asked has said that they believe he is inexperienced in love and sex (which he has said as well) and that he came to my room with the intention of making a move, then was too nervous/didn't know what to do. I obviously can't ask anyone who knows him, because that's violating his privacy. There is context missing here, such as him being in his mid-20s, very nerdy, never having had a girlfriend, still living with his mum, currently being tested for autism, which imo makes it more likely that my friends' theory is true.

I wasn't going to say this because it felt too "outing" but I'll just say it now: our job is being in a band. I am the songwriter and business leader, and he is employed as a musician for the current tour, which lasts until the end of the year. After that, we may renew our contract or not. This affects things, because behavioural norms for touring bands are so different than any other workplace. Crashing at each other's homes and hotel rooms is super normal, being friends outside of work is super normal, going on pub crawls is super normal - hell, we work in pubs! - hugging all your coworkers is super normal, hanging out and chatting about your feelings in the studio between takes is really normal.

However, like I said in the first post, I didn't want to include all the context here, because it wasn't relevant - I was just saying I'd received mixed signals on this one weekend and I was hurt, feeling rejected by someone I thought liked me.

At the end of the day, I can't read his mind, and as his boss I can't say "Will you just tell me if you want to date me or not?!" So unless he decides to tell me, there is nothing I can do. I have to find a way to be emotionally ok with his hot-and-cold behaviour. That's very difficult, because I care about him deeply and feel devastated at the thought of him getting with someone else. Of course I would never bring these feelings to work, but they hurt me inside. That's what I was ranting about.

If I can let go of my feelings, there's a possibility I could say to him, "I really value our friendship, but I don't want us to have a misunderstanding that ruins our time working together. So I have to ask that you don't sign your texts to me with hearts, comment on my appearance, or try to come alone to my hotel room when we're touring, or expect to go on pub crawls with me when the rest of the team aren't there. I know you mean well, but it sends mixed signals which have the potential to hurt us." Then start politely rebuffing his hugs, etc. The only reasons I haven't done this already are

1) that I don't feel like this is a normal workplace crush. In the music biz there are hot interesting people everywhere and someone always has a crush on someone else, so normally I just bottle my feelings up and wait for them to pass). This really feels like a gentle authentic connection based on friendship and admiration. Not just two young-ish horny people. People here can call me delusional all they like, but the bullet points I write here can't explain what it's like when we're in the room together: we really like each other. Even our band mates have asked me whether we have a thing going on. This feels like something worth fighting for, not a normal crush. I don't want to turn him down if he might want to take things forward one day or at a slow pace.

2) we won't work together for ever. Our contract is over at the end of the year. After that, we may work together again, or we may not. What if he is waiting for us to not be co-workers anymore?

But the rollercoaster of receiving a flirtatious text from him and feeling hopeful, then having him leave just when I thought he was going to kiss me, and feeling suddenly like he doesn't like me, is hurting my mental health. That emotional rollercoaster always drives people crazy, and I'm not 17 anymore, I don't want all this.

So far my favourite option is to let him behave however he wants to, but try to cut off my emotions. I just am finding it so hard. Right now we're off work for 2 weeks, so I am taking a break from social media so I don't have to see him all the time.

(Sorry I write so much, it's a side effect of my ADHD meds. That's why college kids take them to write essays, lol.)
 
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I think it is something like this. Everyone who knows me who I have asked has said that they believe he is inexperienced in love and sex (which he has said as well) and that he came to my room with the intention of making a move, then was too nervous/didn't know what to do. I obviously can't ask anyone who knows him, because that's violating his privacy. There is context missing here, such as him being in his mid-20s, very nerdy, never having had a girlfriend, still living with his mum, currently being tested for autism, which imo makes it more likely that my friends' theory is true.

I wasn't going to say this because it felt too "outing" but I'll just say it now: our job is being in a band. I am the songwriter and business leader, and he is employed as a musician for the current tour, which lasts until the end of the year. After that, we may renew our contract or not. This affects things, because behavioural norms for touring bands are so different than any other workplace. Crashing at each other's homes and hotel rooms is super normal, being friends outside of work is super normal, going on pub crawls is super normal - hell, we work in pubs! - hugging all your coworkers is super normal, hanging out and chatting about your feelings in the studio between takes is really normal.

However, like I said in the first post, I didn't want to include all the context here, because it wasn't relevant - I was just saying I'd received mixed signals on this one weekend and I was hurt, feeling rejected by someone I thought liked me.

At the end of the day, I can't read his mind, and as his boss I can't say "Will you just tell me if you want to date me or not?!" So unless he decides to tell me, there is nothing I can do. I have to find a way to be emotionally ok with his hot-and-cold behaviour. That's very difficult, because I care about him deeply and feel devastated at the thought of him getting with someone else. Of course I would never bring these feelings to work, but they hurt me inside. That's what I was ranting about.

If I can let go of my feelings, there's a possibility I could say to him, "I really value our friendship, but I don't want us to have a misunderstanding that ruins our time working together. So I have to ask that you don't sign your texts to me with hearts, comment on my appearance, or try to come alone to my hotel room when we're touring, or expect to go on pub crawls with me when the rest of the team aren't there. I know you mean well, but it sends mixed signals which have the potential to hurt us." Then start politely rebuffing his hugs, etc. The only reasons I haven't done this already are

1) that I don't feel like this is a normal workplace crush. In the music biz there are hot interesting people everywhere and someone always has a crush on someone else, so normally I just bottle my feelings up and wait for them to pass). This really feels like a gentle authentic connection based on friendship and admiration. Not just two young-ish horny people. People here can call me delusional all they like, but the bullet points I write here can't explain what it's like when we're in the room together: we really like each other. Even our band mates have asked me whether we have a thing going on. This feels like something worth fighting for, not a normal crush. I don't want to turn him down if he might want to take things forward one day or at a slow pace.

2) we won't work together for ever. Our contract is over at the end of the year. After that, we may work together again, or we may not. What if he is waiting for us to not be co-workers anymore?

But the rollercoaster of receiving a flirtatious text from him and feeling hopeful, then having him leave just when I thought he was going to kiss me, and feeling suddenly like he doesn't like me, is hurting my mental health. That emotional rollercoaster always drives people crazy, and I'm not 17 anymore, I don't want all this.

So far my favourite option is to let him behave however he wants to, but try to cut off my emotions. I just am finding it so hard. Right now we're off work for 2 weeks, so I am taking a break from social media so I don't have to see him all the time.

(Sorry I write so much, it's a side effect of my ADHD meds. That's why college kids take them to write essays, lol.)
I say number 2. Is there an age gap between you both?
I think your autism on both sides may come into this. It’s hard to read people who are neurotypical as it is.
 
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I say number 2. Is there an age gap between you both?
I think your autism on both sides may come into this. It’s hard to read people who are neurotypical as it is.
Yeah - I am early 30s, but always mistaken for younger because I look really young - still get ID'd - and unfortunately I think my autism does make me unlike my peers. I also had to do a lot of caring for sick relatives in my teens and 20s, so I didn't have all the same relationship experiences as other people my age. I'm much more mature than my peers in terms of being self-reliant, helping others and being strong in hard times. But in romantic experience and social development, I am behind my peers.

He is mid 20s. Weirdly, no one has ever questioned this age difference, even when he posts social media pictures with his arms around me. But maybe this is because I look his age. Even my friends and therapist, who know about the age gap, want the relationship to happen.

When we talk, we relate very much like peers the same age. We don't feel like an age gap at all, and he has never mentioned it. He always wants to hang out. We have matching values and interests. He is very intelligent and insightful, and seems more mature than most guys my age.

But I do consider whether his lack of romantic experience (due to age) causes problems for him. I started dating in my tweens, so I have no memory of how it feels to be nervous for your first kiss, or maybe worried that you can't do sex right, or any problems that might come from being inexperienced. The way he talks to/about me is like he views me as very capable and like he always takes my opinion as gospel (this is good for when I'm instructing him at work, but when we're socialising I'm like "...You don't have to agree with me all the time, you can dislike Jane Austen!" lol).

So if he was considering making a move, he might perceive me as more confident and capable, and himself as inexperienced and he's worried he'll make a fool of himself. That's why I was trying to be gentle in the hotel, like stroke his face, ask him if he wanted to watch a favourite show, etc. I didn't want to be like "Hey sexy!" I wanted him to feel like I was being gentle and he was ok to try something if he wanted to, I wasn't going to rush him or laugh at him.

Mostly I'm really grateful that my coworkers see me as confident and a leader-type, but sometimes it comes with this burden that they assume I don't have insecurities or down days. So I think it's possible that he has no idea I was insecure or hurt, and was only looking at it from the perspective of "She's experienced and I'm not, I feel out of my depth, I'm going to leave." He wouldn't have thought that maybe I'm insecure about my body or I have difficulties with sex sometimes, or that I worried I wasn't attractive to him.

That was the conjecture that seemed to "fit" most to me, but unfortunately it's still possible that he doesn't fancy me. Or he does, but has no plans to act on it. I can cope with that, but I just wish I knew, one way or the other. Going back and forth on "Maybe next time! Oh, maybe I've been stupid and he never liked me!" is just so draining and hurting.
 
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@InkHeart it took me many years to learn that people can be attracted to one another and one of them won't want to pursue a relationship ( for some strange reason that I never understood) . He might be one of those people.
 
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@InkHeart it took me many years to learn that people can be attracted to one another and one of them won't want to pursue a relationship ( for some strange reason that I never understood) . He might be one of those people.
Thank you for that perspective <3
 
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The entire situation sounds wholly inappropriate for the workplace. It is not professional.
 
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The entire situation sounds wholly inappropriate for the workplace. It is not professional.
People meet their partners at work all the time. And like I said, gigging bands have very different accepted norms than other workplaces.
 
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Just to say, remember people see things very black and white when they’re not emotionally invested in something. Everyone has an easy and quick solution that they would “definitely do” 🙄 when it’s not actually their lives.

In reality we’ve all been there, the does he/doesn’t he like/want me. It’s frustrating and confusing and I hear ya!
TBh Ihavent as i don't elicit interest. (due to being ugly??) Though I am so inexperienced and unused to seeing any signals and signs and picking up on things as a result of that it took me and my partner about 3 months of knowing each other before I realised that he actually was interested in me LOL
 
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My rant of the day is phone signal! I swear it's getting worse and worse, I can barely get 5G in the city centre.
Like I get there's a lot of people in one area but surely by now we have the infrastructure to ensure everyone has good phone signal.
 
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My rant of the day is phone signal! I swear it's getting worse and worse, I can barely get 5G in the city centre.
Like I get there's a lot of people in one area but surely by now we have the infrastructure to ensure everyone has good phone signal.
Yeah I've noticed this as well and I've seen people talking about it on Reddit too.

There are some serious blind spots near me where I don't even get 4G and I don't live in the middle of nowhere 🤣

Honestly how can I have signal in rural Thailand but not in a UK city is beyond me
 
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My rant of the day is phone signal! I swear it's getting worse and worse, I can barely get 5G in the city centre.
Like I get there's a lot of people in one area but surely by now we have the infrastructure to ensure everyone has good phone signal.
100% this!!!! In my local city centre the other day and my phone may as well have been a brick for all the use it was! Couldn’t load a single webpage or receive any WhatsApp messages. Ended up having to use the wifi in virtually every single shop I went in 😒
 
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Yeah I've noticed this as well and I've seen people talking about it on Reddit too.

There are some serious blind spots near me where I don't even get 4G and I don't live in the middle of nowhere 🤣

Honestly how can I have signal in rural Thailand but not in a UK city is beyond me
Yeah, since we had 5G masts put up near our estate the signal has gotten worse
 
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When your parcel is small enough to shove through the letterbox and the postman knocks on the door
 
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