Vigilante. Your thoughts.

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I was a bit torn this week as somebody was explaining to me how they got sent to prison for years for severely battering a paedophile.

I understood the sentiment behind that but absolutely not agree with vigilantism. I'd like to hear people's thoughts?
 
Honestly I can fully understand why people might choose to take matters into their own hands & tbh, I think we could do with more vigilantes. Only if its 100% the right person they're after, then I can understand. Uk sentencing is so woefully inadequate. And I feel giving out new identities is ridiculous, why should certain criminals (esp child killers) get to change their identity and be protected from the public, if anything its a hugely costly business & I feel if you wanna commit a heinous crime, you should expect to fend for yourself if ever you got out. These people lost their humam rights, imo, when killing or hurting others esp those particularly vulnerable members of society.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no vigilante myself. I'm not out there ridding the world of Jimmy savilles, but I have no objection to those who are.

So long as its never a case of mistaken identity. You have to be 10000% correct in pursuing the right person. If possible.
 
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So long as its never a case of mistaken identity. You have to be 10000% correct in pursuing the right person. If possible.
That's the problem with vigilantism and people taking matters into their own hands, it could easily turn into a witch hunt, with innocent people getting their lives destroyed or getting harmed just because a child's words were misunderstood or somebody decided to spread a rumour, or maybe it wasn't possible to find the actual culprit and they were unlucky enough to be picked as a scapegoat.

I also think that the government or society being able to take people's basic human rights away because of their actions is an extremely dangerous slippery slope. Once you introduce into the system the idea that humans can be stripped of their human rights, you don't know how and to what categories of people that idea might be applied in the future.

Having said that, I'm not gonna shed any tears over a pedophile getting beat up lol they deserve that and worse. But on an intellectual level I do understand why even the scum of the earth has rights in modern societies.
 
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People have no faith in the justice system, in general, so most people will have no problem letting vigilantes dish out the punishment. The problem arises if the vigilantes go too far and torture the person they've gone after, instead of just giving them a beating. There's a fine line that what I think is acceptable, if that's the right term , when it comes to vigilantes.
 
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The problem arises if the vigilantes go too far and torture the person they've gone after, instead of just giving them a beating.
I don't understand what this means? There are plenty of instances of someone dying from being punched once.

No I don't agree with vigilantism. The general public are mostly pretty stupid, as evidenced by that bizarre episode a few years back where the newspapers were publishing supposed paedophiles' addresses. Let the courts deal with them.
 
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If someone wanted to go after Baby P's disgusting excuse for a mother, for example, I would happily welcome that. Just sayin.
 
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It’s a difficult one. i think it’s wrong for people to take the law into their own hands but I understand and agree that victims of paedophiles don’t really get any justice so I can see why these groups exist.

I think what would be more helpful is trying to work to fix the justice system so that people who are victims of these crimes have faith that the justice system will work in their favour.
 
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I despise vigilantes. Usually they are getting just as much of a perverted kick out of harming the alleged perpetrator. In fact I think that's often why they do it; to try to find a socially acceptable way of enacting sadistic fantasies, especially when it comes to harming weaker people. Because this is a kind of perversion and because otherwise they'd probably do it to one of their own family, they particular target sex offenders because they consider that those people have also preyed on weaker people, so attacking them means they see themselves in the alleged sex offender (which makes them angry/in denial), but by joining a vigilante group they can externalise their own similar urges while still remaining socially acceptable/justifying their violence to themselves.

Also a lot of what they do is entrapment of people with learning disabilities, autism, etc. For example, I saw a video of some of them pinning down a young man who was clearly intellectually disabled, and they kept asking him why he replied to their messages where they pretended to be a teenage girl. Now I'm not saying this man should have replied, but he was very unlikely to be fully aware of what he was doing and probably never had any girl show any interest in him before. So he was an easy target to set up, even though he hadn't actually abused anyone. It didn't seem to matter to the vigilantes that he was clearly not understanding why they were attacking him; in fact they seemed to enjoy it more because he was weaker. The police need to do more to stop this as well as tackle sexual offences better.

I can understand it more if someone has done something to you personally or a member of your family and you feel no one is doing anything about it and justice hasn't been served, but as far as I can see that isn't the motivation of most vigilante groups, especially because there often isn't a real victim involved and they've set someone up online.
 
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I despise vigilantes. Usually they are getting just as much of a perverted kick out of harming the alleged perpetrator. In fact I think that's often why they do it; to try to find a socially acceptable way of enacting sadistic fantasies, especially when it comes to harming weaker people. Because this is a kind of perversion and because otherwise they'd probably do it to one of their own family, they particular target sex offenders because they consider that those people have also preyed on weaker people, so attacking them means they see themselves in the alleged sex offender (which makes them angry/in denial), but by joining a vigilante group they can externalise their own similar urges while still remaining socially acceptable/justifying their violence to themselves.

Also a lot of what they do is entrapment of people with learning disabilities, autism, etc. For example, I saw a video of some of them pinning down a young man who was clearly intellectually disabled, and they kept asking him why he replied to their messages where they pretended to be a teenage girl. Now I'm not saying this man should have replied, but he was very unlikely to be fully aware of what he was doing and probably never had any girl show any interest in him before. So he was an easy target to set up, even though he hadn't actually abused anyone. It didn't seem to matter to the vigilantes that he was clearly not understanding why they were attacking him; in fact they seemed to enjoy it more because he was weaker. The police need to do more to stop this as well as tackle sexual offences better.

I can understand it more if someone has done something to you personally or a member of your family and you feel no one is doing anything about it and justice hasn't been served, but as far as I can see that isn't the motivation of most vigilante groups, especially because there often isn't a real victim involved and they've set someone up online.
I'd feel like a lion if anyone attacked someone I knew. But that doesn't mean I would act on it.

You're right talking about motivations behind it I will reread and digest more.
 
So baby p's mother incubator won't be getting a new identity? Let's hope justice is served ;) :m 🤞
 
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