The Archie Battersbee Case #6

[Blockster]

I'm new to Tattle but this story has hit a nerve. My partner 19 years ago had a brain aneurysm, I was 5 months pregnant with our son at the time, anyway this happened on a Saturday and by the next day he was brain stem dead. They did a test where they test for a cough reflex and his had stopped.
The doctor sat us down and explained what the brain stem did and how he could never be the man wad again.
As awful and traumatic as it was we said our goodbyes as we knew he was gone and he had to go.
I'm sorry but this woman is being selfish and only thinking of her own needs. Yes the death of someone you love is truly awful but watching them suffer and having no quality of life is equally awful to.

 

[Shinythings]

This reminds me of a case in my area where a young boy tragically took his life. The inquest showed he was under CAMHS and the sessions were going well, he was there addressing emotional issues caused by his neglectful and abusive mother. Paternal grandmother had temporary custody and spoke highly of the CAMHS team.

Boy takes his own life impulsively after his mother failed to show up to meet him as planned in favour of meeting her drug dealer boyfriend. Boy feeling let down, sent a message to his friend saying he'd had enough. He jumped in front of a train.

Mother then comes out acting like Mum of the Year, takes legal action against CAMHS despite inquest and grandmother speaking highly of the care received. She was all over the local papers doing a gofundme, crusading against 'evil CAMHS', smearing grandmother's name, trying to make herself look like a doting mother. He killed himself because of her but she just refused to look at herself, it was everyone else but her.

The inquest and resulting investigation showed her for what she was.

 

[Mardymermaid]

I refuse to believe these people actually walk among us

 

[Keera]

I haven’t read through all of these threads in depth, but as a nurse myself I’ve delivered bad news numerous times and been present at countless deaths, natural or otherwise, and when the family (or patient, dependent on the situation) does not or cannot eventually accept that death is an inevitable part of their journey through their current situation, it is usually a much more unsettled, uncomfortable death for all involved.
working in palliative care has shown me that the one thing we can hope to offer all patients is a calm, peaceful, dignified death, surrounded by those that love them. What I tell relatives who “wish they could have done more” is that being there is enough, letting that person know just how important and special they are and allowing them to pass away peacefully and calmly is an absolute gift.
i understand this lady’s mindset and drive to fight and hope to an extent, but she is robbing her son of the one thing she can gift him at this point.
Such a sad story and everyone seems to have gotten so caught up and forgotten the little boy at the centre of it

 

[squatternutbosh]

Thank you to the tattler who posted the position statement on behalf of the trust to the court. It was an incredibly eye opening statement of facts.
a summary:

- Archie died 31st May
- Archie’s parents declined the brainstem test
- MRI shows Archie’s brain is in a state of necrosis.
- Archie is being provided nutrition by a dietitian, however it is not being absorbed by his intestines, therefore he is suffering severe diarrhoea. His fluid output is more than his fluid intake.
- his mother is by his bedside but has Been observed by medics that she is taking advice from online strangers rather than Archie’s consultants.
- he is losing weight
- his pupils are not responding to stimulation by a pupilogist several times a day.
- doctors have tried to replicate the claims by his mum that he holds her hand- it was unsuccessful.
- mother said Archie cried in pain whilst having a ventilation tube changed. Doctor confirmed tube cannot be changed, but observed moisture on the eyelashes, most likely present by the daily eye drops administered to him to prevent his eyes drying out.
- there is literally no blood flow to his brain, since he was found unconscious in April.
- diabetes has been detected in his urine due to the kidneys failure to dilute properly.
- doctors reviewing his scans have confirmed it looks like the kind of scans you would see consistent with someone POSTPORTEM.
- Archie has not responded to any music or voices whilst being attached to EEG.
- Archie has not responded to any reflex tests.
- Archie’s brain has shrunk in size and there is fluid in the brain. Brain coning has resulted his brain sinking to the bottom of his skull and is displaying signs of NECROSIS.
- all these treatments sustaining Archie’s vital organs are futile, although he cannot feel pain, if it a huge burden on his frail body.
- his mother is rejected all of these evidences with no foundation to do so.

After taking an hour reading this report, I was physically sick. I cannot fathom what his mother is trying to gain.

 

[ohannie]

I always knew she'd try for an "Archie's Law". This was so obvious from the start.

Good to know he wouldn't have wanted any protestors at the hospital. He must have expressed those wishes during the same conversation where he told her he wants his heart to be kept beating for months after he's brain-dead.

 

[jackolantern]

"Probably posted by a scrounging bastard who sits at home on his arse all day"

"You think they work? "

Sorry, but when comments like that are made, it's clearly about more than clothes, behaviour and language isn't it?

Though given the number of people with dyslexia and other myriad learning difficulties, mocking language is a bit below the belt isn't it really?

But not as below the belt as people taking the piss out of this little boy's funeral and whether it will have purple plumes on the horses FFS. I thought we were all here because we were actually bothered about this child? Not to mock when he is laid to rest?

Most chavs are scrounging bastards, I'm sorry if that offends you but it's just the truth. Does that mean you are? No, quite obviously not all people who are on benefits are that way inclined, but the very many who are, make a bad name for the system and make things difficult for people who should genuinely be claiming. Most chavs are indeed loud, aggressive, yobbish, have similar taste in clothing, use similar language etc etc, to Hollie. So if you don't, you needn't take offence because noone is talking about you. Indeed, this thread isn't about any of us here, it's about Archie and by extension, his mother.

People rip the piss out of suggestions about the funeral because they know what to expect from similar cases. It doesn't have anything to do with Archie being a little boy and the sad reality is, the funeral likely will have very little to do with Archie at all. It's all about his mother and her circus and that's what people are ripping the piss out of. The song and Hollie Dance of it all.

If you had indeed actually read the threads, you'd see pretty much everyone here is deeply bothered about Archie and that inspires every single comment because we are disgusted at the behaviour of his mother and unfortunately, it is likely her social standing has played a heavy role in that. Again, that doesn't mean all chavs = benefits, all benefits = chavs, all of both = would behave like Hollie. It also doesn't mean everyone of higher social standing wouldn't behave like this, but it is less likely so sadly, it is relevant. Indeed it is very relevant in helping identify the families who need the most support to stop things like this ever happening again.

 

[Silverplume]

Hollie isn’t spending time with her son for the most obvious reason: he’s dead and she knows it. There’s no interaction with the living and the dead. She gets nothing to satisfy a narcissist out of sitting by his side, but she gets lots of interaction and attention when dealing with the living.

 

[bubbadabut]

I didn't watch any medical dramas, but I did watch 999 with Michael Buerk. I'm just waiting for the day I come across someone with a javelin stuck in their neck, because I still remember exactly what to do.

 

[Topaz]

I watched Children's Ward, surely that makes me qualified

Has anyone reached out to Derek Thompson? He's been in Casualty for about 49 years so surely he'll know his stuff

 

[witchtwiccan71]

What we are seeing is photos of a dead child, that’s the cold hard truth. Archie is dead, he’s not coming back from this. He’s decomposing every day, why do this to your child. I’m a mum myself and as much as I would want my child to live, I would put my feelings and own wants second to the needs of my child, I would want my child to be surrounded my love and family and not to endure anymore.
I understand grief is different for everyone, but what this mother is doing is inhuman, it’s now become a media circus, and the biggest clown is the mother, she is revelling in it, I truly believe that she’s no longer thinking of her child.

personally I think they should hand him over to her, she doesn’t want him switched off, so let her care for him. If she’s not agreeing with the medical professionals then let her get on with it, and he’ll die. She can’t have it both ways, she wants them to keep him ‘alive’ but she hates the nhs, well crack on then. Take him home and see how you get on.
Sorry but she’s truly pissing me off, I’m trying to be sympathetic but I can’t, it’s all to upsetting.

 

[kittenattack]

Nursing is the occupation with the highest level of obesity in the UK, I wonder why

You don't get breaks, so just rely on coffee and high carb snacks to see you through the long shifts. Shift working also makes healthy meal prep challenging and you're often too tired to cook.

 

[Georgia1970]

Sorry, I wrote something previously about Archie being in a vegetative state - I'm not medically trained and was under the impression it meant what it sounds like, dead but being kept alive by ventilators, etc, thank you whoever pointed out what vegetative actually means, in fact it puts it into more perspective when I realised his brain was practically mangled and had slipped into his spine. His mother needs to shut up and go spend the last precious hours she has with her son and stop inciting strangers with her venom towards the NHS, I hope she donates any money raised to the ward that's cared for him all these months.

 

[jackolantern]

Update from AA

A massive thankyou to our supporters and followers, Archies Army for all of the support you have given and continue to give.
We are sorry we had to pause the group but the family needed time to be together.
This evening Hollie has asked me to give you an update on what happens now.

Herself and Paul are applying the ECHR for an appeal. This has to be done before 0900 tomorrow morning.

There are currently talks with local MP Anna Firth on how to raise awareness to online challenges and social media trends that can, and do impact on our young children, although no one at this time can confirm that Archies accident was the product of an online challenge, if it helps to raise awareness of the dangers of such trends and saves just one child going through this awful journey then that is a step in the right direction. Anna is also keen to work with Archies Army to get an Archies Army Law drawn up where families in Hollie and Pauls situation can get more help to explore every avenue of care for their child before being taken to court and having their rights removed, Archies Army Law will also look into the regulations surrounding Brain Stem Death testing and seeing if it can be brought up to date.

Tomorrow Archies life support is due to be withdrawn at 1100.
We DO NOT advocate any form of protests at the hospital, Archie would never have wanted anything of the sort, so please do not present at the hospital as you will be asked to leave by security.
We ask that you give the family time tomorrow to spend with Archie. We shall try our best to update you should there be any news that is relevant to the group.
Please refrain from messaging for updates or commenting updates from outside sources, quite often their information isn't quite right and we would rather you had the real update.

Hollie would like to express hers and her families gratitude for all of the support you have given her and Archie, and in Hollies words

"she will fight to the very last breath" — with Ella Carter and 5 others.

What a crock of shit. It wasn’t an online challenge, she knows that, we all know that. Archie’s “journey” is a direct response to fucking awful parenting, will his ‘law’ do anything about that? I think not. The only way to stop this happening to other children is to stop similar people breeding, considering sterilising the degenerate is immoral, your law is worth shit.

What we do need is better mental health support for children and seriously enhanced identification of families who need extra support to protect vulnerable children from this kind of life.

No one took you to court and took away your rights. You took them to court to take away your sons right to a dignified death.

The whole post is cold, still manages to be about Hollie not Archie and has very clearly come from threats from an outside party. There’s no way they’d tell people not to protest otherwise.

This whole shit show is going to go on and on. She should never have been given another day.

 

[Kellyg]

Adrenaline to wake him up? When are these deluded fucks going to realise that nothing and no one can wake him up, because his brain has shrunk and slid into his spine.

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All he needs is some Nutella on his lips, some lemon on his feet and Freddie krugeur to give him a good scare. Brilliant. Be afraid people these people are freely walking around us

 

[Tui]

I’m shocked to see she’s actually filmed a video of not only him in bed but reeling off every treatment he is on. How utterly invasive of his privacy.

ending the video with a sarcastic “that’s the ‘invasive’ drugs he’s on or so the court say I’ll leave you to decide”

why would you leave the general public who know nothing about medicine or ICU or brain injuries decide over science and professionals.

I have the utmost sympathy for her but filming him in that bed is just so wrong

It doesn’t really get more invasive than having an endo tracheal tube, being auctioned multiple times a day, a catheter, a waste management system, being turned for pressure areas and to top it all of your so called mother photo documenting the lot for Facebook. Go fuck yourself Hollie

 

[judgejohndeed]

So the hospital could switch him off legally at any moment and she’s spending this time doing interviews. Repulsive

 

[merlot]

Slightly offtopic but whilst this whole shitshow has been taking place I have to say I've learned so much from these threads alone, a big thank you to the HCP's & those that have contributed. (Much respect to those that have been through it and shared too)
It's so interesting & so much has been explained in such an understandable way.
Thank you.

 

[Gotta Have Faith]

I don't believe this, Ella the son of Hollie, his girlfriend is being paid a salary from the GOFUNDME money to be Hollie's PA and spokesperson.

 

[H0nb]

It doesn’t really get more invasive than having an endo tracheal tube, being auctioned multiple times a day, a catheter, a waste management system, being turned for pressure areas and to top it all of your so called mother photo documenting the lot for Facebook. Go fuck yourself Hollie

There is no feeling worse than being suctioned while ventilated. I can’t explain how awful it is. I struggle daily with having been in ICU. As much as it saved my life, it haunts me.