The Archie Battersbee case #5

[gigi_93]

Just going back to something discussed earlier: it’s very possible for a 12 year old to be suicidal. I had just turned 8 when I was first sent to a psychiatrist for having suicidal ideations and I distinctly remember wanting to die. My mum did everything she could for me which is why I’m still here in my 30s. It involves a LOT of work for the parents.

 

[klairklopp]

Aye right. No chance. Its the subject of organ donation that kicked this whole thing off when Hollie claimed they wanted him dead for his organs!

Speaking from experience they gently bring up the subject of organ donation after the patient is brain stem dead. I can’t deal with people like HD who think the NHS are executing children for their organs. It’s not the black market….. Organ donation is the only positive thing that came from our sons death and the St Johns medal we received for him means everything to us. Maybe this would have helped Hollie…..

 

[judsmum]

This is what this country is up against

 

[Mardymermaid]

You're all going to hell for the atomic kitten comment.




See you there.

 

[ButterTart]

Speaking from experience they gently bring up the subject of organ donation after the patient is brain stem dead. I can’t deal with people like HD who think the NHS are executing children for their organs. It’s not the black market….. Organ donation is the only positive thing that came from our sons death and the St Johns medal we received for him means everything to us. Maybe this would have helped Hollie…..

Three people in my family have received transplants, so I can tell you from personal experience how very moving and meaningful it is to receive a much needed organ. It is truly a priceless gift. We often thought of the people who had donated so selflessly. Your son will be remembered by so many for being such a caring individual, as are you for ensuring his wishes were respected.

 

[Bubblepink]

I really do hope there is resolution to this case tomorrow. It’s heartbreakingly sad.

But Archie has gone.
There is no miracle cure.
There is no “giving him time to recover” - he has gone.
They can’t keep him alive forever with machines.

As a parent myself I appreciate this is a hardest thing you will ever have to accept about your child.

I have the upmost sympathy re Archie but the comments his mother has made again today are so passive aggressive. And it makes me annoyed the way she speaks and has spoken about the hospital and staff.

She said: “I've got my son's best interests at heart - Paul, and the siblings - nobody else has got Archie's best interests at heart”
So what about the multiple doctors/nurses/hca’s who have tireless cared for her son since he was admitted to hospital. Under difficult circumstances only made worse by the family being rude and aggressive to them.

She said “We do not understand the urgency and rush to end life-support. The hospital Trust has at no point given us time to come to terms with what has happened. This is no way for a compassionate society to treat a family in our situation. We will continue to fight for Archie”
How has there been a rush? It’s now august. Archie has been there since April with no improvement in his condition because he has gone. Only machines keeping him alive. They have had time to come to terms with this. I appreciate there is no amount of time that will help a parent come to terms with it but it’s not like he was admitted yesterday.
He is in an ICU bed using a lot of resources. Staff and equipment that is needed elsewhere. There are other seriously ill people in ho
If Hollie had to pay for his care would she still be insisting he was being kept ‘alive’?

She said “
In this country there's no options: it's either Archie's conscious or he dies, that's it. In other countries there are so many options. You've got ... stem cell treatment, you know, there are so many options available.
Over in the UK it's ... execution of your child and that's it. It's disgusting, it's a let-down.”
A let down? Your son has been cared for 24/7 for months by a dedicated team of people. Working tirelessly to care for him. What a disgusting thing to say he has been let down. He hasn’t been let down at all.
Stem cell treatment won’t help him. He doesn’t have a disease or genetic condition. He tried to end his life. He’s now only alive due to a ventilator. He has gone. There are no miracle cures for him. No stem cells.

 

[Weeder]

Only for a matter of seconds naturally. Medically is a different situation as it can be created artificially.

To put it bluntly, imagine someone has been dead a couple of hours, we then hook them up to machines to make their body work artificially, essentially like a puppet. That's what they're dealing with. I'm at a loss how people can read the reports and see him as anything other than that at this point.

I hope he is allowed his peace tomorrow.

It's been pretty clear to almost everyone (anyone with a brain) since the release of the first set of court documents. The scan results were a sobering read. Hollie has had access to these scan results contemporaneously. His prognosis and then confirmation, after confirmation would all have been presented and explained to her as the information came in. I have no understanding whatsoever of what the actual fuck she is playing at. At this point she's lying in court , she's lying to her support, she's lying to the media and the hospital and her own relatives.

Get the police in there, stop playing with a corpse and fucking put Archie and every single one of us out of our collective misery


Hollie, fuck you Dr Frankenmum

 

[percypigcushion]

Child is about to die, on his own, let’s check in with his doting mother

 

[maharini]

In his amazing book ‘Do no harm’, respected neurosurgeon Henry Marsh talks about a number of patients who have ‘coned’ - ie their brain tissue has swollen and been forced out of the base of their skull. It is not a recoverable position, and this was the case with Archie from the very start. Henry Marsh, a brilliant and compassionate man, describes such patients as ‘wrecked’ - which when I read his books seemed really stark, but actually reflects the truth of the situation. Marsh talks in his second book of the sadness of seeing his patients (all in much better shape than Archie) artificially kept alive in clinics for years with no quality of life for the patient or their family. But it takes a facility for critical thinking, not a liking for mob hysteria, to appreciate this. Thoughts with everyone here who have walked this way and taken the considered path.

 

[Brummiebird]

At Alder Hey, they were playing loud music, having bbq's and generally disrupting the working of a children's hospital.
Police and security shifted them to the far car par in the end after parents and staff complained they were affecting patent's health and well-being....

My friend was in Alder Hey with her daughter at the time, the rabble took residence on a strip of grass in the middle of a busy dual carriageway outside the hospital. They had bouncy castles, PA systems and deck chairs.
Thomas Evans was frequently outside smoking weed, when he wasn’t addressing his army from on top of a bus shelter. The family would sit on the ward drinking alcohol, the parents would barricade the door to the room whilst they had sex.

 

[Rekyavikgirl]

I've had good hospital treatment, I have had bad hospital treatment. But anyone who thinks an entire health system let alone one hospital is engaged in a giant coordinated conspiracy to murder little children doesn't really understand the NHS lol. It can't even get the I.T systems right.

 

[stevenseagull]

My mum was telling me about a colleague whose daughter was in a car accident and the mum fought to keep her on the life support despite the grim prognosis of no life quality. The Dad disagreed. The mum won, the girl eventually woke up but was essentially a head in a bed. Couldn’t talk. Couldn’t do anything for herself.
After a few years mum couldn’t cope with the all consuming care and fucked off leaving her with Dad.

 

[CELESTE CROCKETT]

Speaking from experience they gently bring up the subject of organ donation after the patient is brain stem dead. I can’t deal with people like HD who think the NHS are executing children for their organs. It’s not the black market….. Organ donation is the only positive thing that came from our sons death and the St Johns medal we received for him means everything to us. Maybe this would have helped Hollie…..

My best friends husband died suddenly of brain haemorrhage aged 40, 2 young children He was at home, we are both nurses so she did CPR and a neighbour called ambulance
That evening they took him to theatre for him to donate his organs. Its bought her alot of comfort over the years that he saved people in his death
I appreciate its not the same as losing as child.

 

[Kav]

Well, so much for my last mote of sympathy.

'We don't want his last moments to be in hospital' - don't worry, they weren't; they were at home, wondering why you didn't care enough to get off your phone and listen.

I'm done with this woman.

 

[Philimena cunk]

Catching up so not sure if this has been answered. Grasp reflex is a spinal reflex so this can still be present even in brain death.

It's a reflex action.
When I first started as a care assistant, before doing my nurse training, I did know much about the human body. As in, you leave a dead body for at least 1 HR before laying out to let all the air out .
First time I didn't, 30 mins had passed, we turned the body to wash their back, they farted(an involuntary action), and sat up
Never stopped running, screaming, till I reached the car park outside the nursing home ..
The human body does some strange things as it's powering down ....

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[Chatty9]

Such a harrowing case with a 12 year old boy at the centre of it. Initially I really felt for his Mum and I still do, losing a child is the worst thing imaginable. But this circus has to stop. Every day on a TV show or speeches outside hospital/court. She is using the Christian card now so if that is the case why doesn't she 'let it be God's will' when machines are removed. This child needs to be given some dignity in death. I feel for the hospital staff as I am a healthcare worker myself. There are no winners here.

 

[Mardymermaid]

This isnt about Archie its about her getting one over on the medical staff.

 

[veevee04]

Her motives are love and support for her son.
She is a mother desperately trying to get her son more time on the ventilator and hopefully more support and she has to fight for that as her fighting for his life is whats given him time.

I think its heartbreaking and I would do the same for my child in her situation. There is more to this case as Ive heard and it hasnt come out. I think she is just doing all she can and thats just born out of love. She is in a desperate situation.

My heart breaks for her and her whole family and Archie too Today will be so painful. I can only hope she has a love of love and support around her

I hope you wouldn't do the same. I'm a mother and not all parents would do that. God forbid I know 40 minutes without oxygen my daughter would have already died it's science unfortunately. My daughter wouldn't be able to do the things she loved doing and would be bedbound, hooked up to machines. Unable to feel pleasure or pain it would be kinder to let go. I know it would be really hard to accept but I think because I've seen TBI I know the outcome 40 mins there's no coming back.

 

[Non90]

I can’t help but wonder if there’s some poor families out there who have had a relative on life support thinking maybe we didn’t do enough? Because they decided to let their relative pass away peacefully.
We all would of loved a happy outcome to this but keeping him ‘alive’ at this point is just cruel. I don’t understand why these delays are being allowed?

My Nan passed in June. We had the choice of keeping her on a machine and thus prolonging her suffering for a few more days at most or letting her pass peacefully and pain free as possible. We choose the latter, not because we didn’t love her, because we did so so much. It was the most painful and heart wrenching decision and It makes me mad when I see people imply that those of us who made that decision obviously didn’t fight enough or love that person enough. When in reality it’s quite the opposite, we loved and respected her enough to let her go so she wasn’t suffering anymore, no matter how hard it is to still come to terms with at times.

 

[tigerlilly_xx]

Found this one in the wild.

real people btw. I just can’t believe they are real.