OoErrMissus
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Yesweknowyouhavekids
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Why does she say ‘it should have been gods way when he went’ yet wanted to keep him artificially alive? She really is as thick as mince
hayleybaby
VIP Member
So after 3 days I’ve finally caught up on all threads. I was in two minds to read them at all as 1) I’m on other threads and they can be brutal and 2) I live in Southend 10. The thread has been very informative In regard to medical and legal stances. I nearly didn’t post due to being a local but twitchy fingers got the better of me! .
Hollie and her family are notorious around her. Her circle of friends are the dregs of the town. Love a ‘sesh’ and a punch up. I knew the names of a lot of the people that were screenshot in previous threads of old messages and they are not nice people.
2nd to this, the father although commended is an abusive partner with a chequered past, his current partner is controlled so badly that she had to give up work and barely leaves the house.
i have giggled at a few of the mad posts on the AA group but for the most part feel incredibly sad for the local families that have been hoodwinked and manipulated by HD and her gang.
i live not far from the park where the gathering is at the weekend. I will be amazed if there is not any trouble. My only hope is that behind the scenes the authorities are investigating the drugs and what actually went on that day,
Hollie and her family are notorious around her. Her circle of friends are the dregs of the town. Love a ‘sesh’ and a punch up. I knew the names of a lot of the people that were screenshot in previous threads of old messages and they are not nice people.
2nd to this, the father although commended is an abusive partner with a chequered past, his current partner is controlled so badly that she had to give up work and barely leaves the house.
i have giggled at a few of the mad posts on the AA group but for the most part feel incredibly sad for the local families that have been hoodwinked and manipulated by HD and her gang.
i live not far from the park where the gathering is at the weekend. I will be amazed if there is not any trouble. My only hope is that behind the scenes the authorities are investigating the drugs and what actually went on that day,
Babushka_Bee
Member
I just hope Sky news doesn't film Archie's funeral like she wants them to. How vile that even in death, this poor boy isn't given any peace or dignity from the very people who should be looking out for him.
DapperDan
Member
I brought this up with a friend irl last night who’s a mother with a child the same age, and as a sounding board for what the public think happened it’s scary. She was under the impression:
- it was a TikTok thing, obviously
- he’d held his breath till he passed out
- had no idea he’d tried the day before and was left alone the day after (she was furious when I disabused her of this)
- was in a coma, not dead
she saw the truth at the end. Don’t worry.
- it was a TikTok thing, obviously
- he’d held his breath till he passed out
- had no idea he’d tried the day before and was left alone the day after (she was furious when I disabused her of this)
- was in a coma, not dead
she saw the truth at the end. Don’t worry.
Camping Mat
Active member
I lost my partner of 25 years to Covid prior to the vaccine roll-out. I wasn't allowed to visit, couldn't be with him at the end, couldn't see him afterwards, had to wait two months for the funeral because of the backlog, which only seven people attended because his family weren't able to fly in from overseas, and we couldn't have a wake afterwards. What do you do when you've just come back from your loved one's funeral with hardly any people there and no wake? I got changed and got on with the housework as there wasn't much else to do owing to lockdown.
There were so many people in the same position. Yet this Hollie woman seems to think she is hard done by. Her sense of entitlement is staggering.
Wackie Jeaver
VIP Member
I am loving 'fightied' in that post. I may have to work it into conversation somehow
DoctorFlocci
Well-known member
That’s the glory of the NHS. Knowledge & expertise shared freely and widely. Everyone working together under the same not-for-profit, patient-centred umbrella.
World-class care, free at the point of delivery. I wish more people would realise what we’ve got & do more to support and protect it.
Haveyouanywool
VIP Member
Hi, just wanted to put this to bed.
SPOILER: GRUESOME.
Sorry for being gruesome but Archie was brain and brain stem dead. His brain had coned, due to hypoxia (lack of oxygen) causing increased pressure, which had pushed his brain stem through the hole in his skull and into his spinal column. This would have totally destroyed it. His necrotising brain and brain stem were, due to gravity, falling down the cerebral spinal fluid in his spinal column, I think this would be seen on MRI.
As his brain and brain stem were totally dead
there was absolutely no possibility of him ‘coming round’, being disabled or even being in a persistent vegetative state. Absolutely no possibility. His only outcome was death.
He died naturally before his dressing gown cord was cut. The paramedics were duty bound to try to revive him. The Drs decided to transfer him to the London Hospital just incase there was a remote possibility of a brain pressure releasing procedure. There wasn’t.
His chance to die, again, ‘naturally’ had now passed. His brain was dead and now his organs were following suit. A massive amount of intervention, drugs and equipment, were now keeping him, or his body ‘alive’. Allowing him to die ‘naturally’ now would involve his kidneys and other organs failing.
I don’t know if you’ve seen a natural death from liver failure. You turn yellow and bleed from every orifice (due to clotting factors) eyes, mouth, everywhere. It’s horrible.
He had absolutely no chance of breathing after the ventilator was turned off. No respiratory effort at all. It would have taken a few minutes for him to turn blue then his heart to stop due to lack of oxygen.
His vent was turned off at 12md. His death at 12 15 was reported by Hollie alone. As far as I know it’s not the official time. It wouldn’t have taken as long as 15 minutes.
Anyway rant over.
Anyone with greater medical knowledge is welcome to chip in.
What an undignified spectacle she made of the poor boy.
SPOILER: GRUESOME.
Sorry for being gruesome but Archie was brain and brain stem dead. His brain had coned, due to hypoxia (lack of oxygen) causing increased pressure, which had pushed his brain stem through the hole in his skull and into his spinal column. This would have totally destroyed it. His necrotising brain and brain stem were, due to gravity, falling down the cerebral spinal fluid in his spinal column, I think this would be seen on MRI.
As his brain and brain stem were totally dead
there was absolutely no possibility of him ‘coming round’, being disabled or even being in a persistent vegetative state. Absolutely no possibility. His only outcome was death.
He died naturally before his dressing gown cord was cut. The paramedics were duty bound to try to revive him. The Drs decided to transfer him to the London Hospital just incase there was a remote possibility of a brain pressure releasing procedure. There wasn’t.
His chance to die, again, ‘naturally’ had now passed. His brain was dead and now his organs were following suit. A massive amount of intervention, drugs and equipment, were now keeping him, or his body ‘alive’. Allowing him to die ‘naturally’ now would involve his kidneys and other organs failing.
I don’t know if you’ve seen a natural death from liver failure. You turn yellow and bleed from every orifice (due to clotting factors) eyes, mouth, everywhere. It’s horrible.
He had absolutely no chance of breathing after the ventilator was turned off. No respiratory effort at all. It would have taken a few minutes for him to turn blue then his heart to stop due to lack of oxygen.
His vent was turned off at 12md. His death at 12 15 was reported by Hollie alone. As far as I know it’s not the official time. It wouldn’t have taken as long as 15 minutes.
Anyway rant over.
Anyone with greater medical knowledge is welcome to chip in.
What an undignified spectacle she made of the poor boy.
jackolantern
VIP Member
It makes me really angry how she's being painted as a hero when her little boy killed himself because his life was so shit, whether or not she caused the depression but she certainly didn't do anything about it. Then left him to rot for 4 months and was happy to let him die in a corridor or ambulance alone sooner than swallow her pride.
If this is a hero, there's no hope for society.
If this is a hero, there's no hope for society.
Yesweknowyouhavekids
VIP Member
Well I’m so glad the blow of your kids suicide is cushioned by 40k worth of holidays and lip fillers. Absolute grifting slags.
My child’s friend who sadly took his life two weeks agos parents have asked for donations of toys in lieu of flowers so they can be given to families in need. Now that is an example of beautiful caring people. Suffering the worst trauma anyone could and still thinking of others instead of feathering their nest. Disgraceful Karen Matthews /mick philpott hybrid cunt
My child’s friend who sadly took his life two weeks agos parents have asked for donations of toys in lieu of flowers so they can be given to families in need. Now that is an example of beautiful caring people. Suffering the worst trauma anyone could and still thinking of others instead of feathering their nest. Disgraceful Karen Matthews /mick philpott hybrid cunt
Lunagooner
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I also came across this online,
My eldest daughter has autism, as does my youngest but she refuses to pursue a diagnosis. They also have another genetic condition.
My eldest was diagnosed aged 4, at which point I gave up a very successful nursing career, to be at home with her. We couldn’t really afford for me to do that but she needed me at home.
We fought tooth and nail to have her statemented. It took us two years. However, we always made it clear that a statement was necessary in order to develop independence in the future. Her primary TA was fantastic. She worked really well with us. Autism was not an excuse, as far as we were concerned. There were times things had to be done differently but on the whole, she knew she was subject up the same rules as everyone else. She accepted that because she didn’t want to be treated differently.
By the time she got to Year 9 (year 8 in England), she didn’t want a TA in the classroom with her. She needed a lot of support still outside of school but she wanted to be like others. She rarely misbehaved in school but if she did, she was subject to the same discipline as everyone else. She was terribly rude to her TA on one occasion, out of frustration. However, we made her apologise in person to her. Yes, she has autism but no, that was not an excuse for her to act out and treat someone else badly.
Many people around us thought we gave her too much support with school work etc. Even at Uni, I would support her with helping her to do research and referencing. When I suffered a serious brain injury, it was good rehab for me.
Next week, she starts a permanent job as a teacher herself - one of only a few on her PGCE course to have secured a permanent post having only graduated in June.
We received the lower rates of DLA when she was a child but she lost it as soon as she was 18. She didn’t want to appeal. Instead, she got a part-time job and worked her way through Uni. Because of her other genetic condition, her mobility is limited. She learned to drive instead of using the train but could only drive an automatic car. She bought her own car - an automatic - and paid it off with the money from her part time job and saved the money from her student loan. She had saved enough that during her PGCE year, she was able to leave her job and focus on it.
Her first placement was a really, really challenging school in a area with a lot of social issues - organised crime etc left behind in the wake of the troubles (We are in Northern Ireland). However, she coped really well with it and rose to the challenge.
We are so proud of her. We’re just an ordinary family, determined that autism wouldn’t hold our daughter back. Life was difficult but we armed ourselves with all the information we could. We were a pain to the school sometimes but we chose our battles carefully and tried to maintain good relationships. You need a lot of knowledge, a lot of patience, a lot of courage and a lot of humility.
Parents like Hollie drive me mad. They don’t take responsibility. They expect other people to “fix” their kid. However, parents have responsibilities. They should be committed to ensuring their kids’ needs are met. It’s not an easy role and at times, we felt like pulling our hair out.
When I see what my daughter has achieved though, I would do it over again. Nothing mattered outside of our kids. We made sacrifices and we went without so they could have every opportunity to achieve what they wanted. People thought we did too much. I think we did what we had to do.
My eldest was diagnosed aged 4, at which point I gave up a very successful nursing career, to be at home with her. We couldn’t really afford for me to do that but she needed me at home.
We fought tooth and nail to have her statemented. It took us two years. However, we always made it clear that a statement was necessary in order to develop independence in the future. Her primary TA was fantastic. She worked really well with us. Autism was not an excuse, as far as we were concerned. There were times things had to be done differently but on the whole, she knew she was subject up the same rules as everyone else. She accepted that because she didn’t want to be treated differently.
By the time she got to Year 9 (year 8 in England), she didn’t want a TA in the classroom with her. She needed a lot of support still outside of school but she wanted to be like others. She rarely misbehaved in school but if she did, she was subject to the same discipline as everyone else. She was terribly rude to her TA on one occasion, out of frustration. However, we made her apologise in person to her. Yes, she has autism but no, that was not an excuse for her to act out and treat someone else badly.
Many people around us thought we gave her too much support with school work etc. Even at Uni, I would support her with helping her to do research and referencing. When I suffered a serious brain injury, it was good rehab for me.
Next week, she starts a permanent job as a teacher herself - one of only a few on her PGCE course to have secured a permanent post having only graduated in June.
We received the lower rates of DLA when she was a child but she lost it as soon as she was 18. She didn’t want to appeal. Instead, she got a part-time job and worked her way through Uni. Because of her other genetic condition, her mobility is limited. She learned to drive instead of using the train but could only drive an automatic car. She bought her own car - an automatic - and paid it off with the money from her part time job and saved the money from her student loan. She had saved enough that during her PGCE year, she was able to leave her job and focus on it.
Her first placement was a really, really challenging school in a area with a lot of social issues - organised crime etc left behind in the wake of the troubles (We are in Northern Ireland). However, she coped really well with it and rose to the challenge.
We are so proud of her. We’re just an ordinary family, determined that autism wouldn’t hold our daughter back. Life was difficult but we armed ourselves with all the information we could. We were a pain to the school sometimes but we chose our battles carefully and tried to maintain good relationships. You need a lot of knowledge, a lot of patience, a lot of courage and a lot of humility.
Parents like Hollie drive me mad. They don’t take responsibility. They expect other people to “fix” their kid. However, parents have responsibilities. They should be committed to ensuring their kids’ needs are met. It’s not an easy role and at times, we felt like pulling our hair out.
When I see what my daughter has achieved though, I would do it over again. Nothing mattered outside of our kids. We made sacrifices and we went without so they could have every opportunity to achieve what they wanted. People thought we did too much. I think we did what we had to do.
I fully believe the reason she doesn’t care to advocate for either TikTok challenge awareness or mental health awareness, is because she fully doesn’t care about other children. She’s the type of person where hers is dead, and if someone else’s dies then that’s nothing to do with her and not her problem. In Hollie Dance’s world, Hollie Dance is the main character and nobody else really matters. Hence why her own little boys death is all about her, not him.
MarigoldMotel
New member
In terms of behaviour, watching the interviews, one thing that sticks out is the emphasis from all concerned on how awful things are *for them*. There is very little focus on the suffering of the person who is lying in the hospital bed.
The word barbaric is used in reference to their experience of *watching*. No reference is made, whatsoever, of how relieved they are that he didn't suffer for a long time.
This is a general theme throughout the interviews. The suffering is all about the family, whereas for most people the experience of having a loved one in hospital is painful precisely because of the experiential empathetic response to the suffering of the patient.
Red flag.
The word barbaric is used in reference to their experience of *watching*. No reference is made, whatsoever, of how relieved they are that he didn't suffer for a long time.
This is a general theme throughout the interviews. The suffering is all about the family, whereas for most people the experience of having a loved one in hospital is painful precisely because of the experiential empathetic response to the suffering of the patient.
Red flag.
Sneauflake
Active member
Alright, pack it up kids, we're all leaving. We can't live on this planet any more because the stupid burns too much.
And_that's_okay!
VIP Member
So one minute they're saying they are traumatised by watching Archie "suffocate" then they release items which will almost certainly cause many animals to "suffocate" and die a painful death. Fucking arseholes. What a circus. I think that poor lad wanted out and I think he had good reason. Poor lad. A product of a fucked up childhood and a disgusting excuse of a mother.