I would say the same for white British. I had a relative who worked on the tragic Jamie bulger case. One of those kids came from the most horrific background. I’m not excusing his actions but he really was exposed to some horrors in his childhood (graphic porn, neglect etc) I don’t recall anything much being said about his parents.
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I’m not sure that’s true. Much has been said about what could have lead to two ten year old boys committing such a horrific crime (I know a lot of people prefer to believe that the two boys are simply born evil, but most understand that evil isn’t born, it’s made).
Like you say, one in particular suffered the most awful upbringing and it’s fair to say his young mind was warped by that.
Who was to blame other than his parents/wider family? I can’t imagine there was much discourse to suggest they weren’t?
I don't agree with that at all. I'm from Liverpool and those parents especially the mothers were quite rightly vilified by the public and the press. A lot was written about the boys backgrounds, the parents and home lives. The trial judge even made a statement after the trial laying the blame and responsibility with the parents and stated that the publicity surrounding the parents and the kids upbringings needed to be in the public domain. A lot was reported which I won't go into here but much of it can still be found online.
Men are always on about their deep urge to protect women and children, and yet time and time again when it comes down to it, they completely fail to make even the smallest efforts. I'm not saying the guy should have gone in there Rambo style, but for all this 'I'm in bits!' afterwards, he managed to call his pal (expressing no concern for the kids) and take on another fare before he troubled himself to the bare minimum.BBC News - Southport attack: Taxi driver 'regrets' not helping victims - BBC News
the taxi driver heard the attack and screams, thought it was gunshots and drove awaythe driving away part I understand but I can’t wrap my head around him not calling police for 50 minutes.
I stand corrected. My apologies. I just wish it happened more often then. We read so many stories of feral kids that bully and terrorise neighbourhoods etc. I never see anyone in the media condemning parents. It’s always the fact they have nothing to do blah blah blah. We didn’t actually have a lot to do either but we didn’t go round ransacking shops and watching hard core porn. So sick of society blaming everyone else but themselves. Absolute tit parents are the norm now and god forbid anyone suggests that settled families are better for children, the usual mob pipe up
More about his parents actions
news.sky.com
Parents of Southport killer were 'in denial' after previous school hockey stick attack, inquiry hears
PC Paul Harrison had visited the parents of Axel Rudakubana after he attacked a pupil in 2019, five years before murdering three girls.
Tbh it sounds like his parents were scared of him too.More about his parents actions
Parents of Southport killer were 'in denial' after previous school hockey stick attack, inquiry hears
PC Paul Harrison had visited the parents of Axel Rudakubana after he attacked a pupil in 2019, five years before murdering three girls.
Yeah but he was 9/10 yrs old at that time I’m sure they could’ve stood their ground, his father is trained in martial arts so could easily overpower/ restrain him , doesn’t seem like they intervened or called for help during that period ? Also I’ve wondered what his behaviour was like during his acting stints surely he couldn’t mask these violent obsessions to suit ?
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I feel like they were hoping for services to sweep in so they didn't need to be the 'bad guys' and alter anything that might piss him off. Probably waited too long rather than addressing his behaviour when he was still young enough to turn it around; then they had a violent son with the strength of an adult male to deal with.
A lot was, and still is said in Liverpool about the parents, They were moved out of the city pretty quickly though - and no press reports, quotes from neighbours etc, because of the ages of Thomas and Venables and the anonymity.
Later, quite a bit was made public regarding involvement of services with the family of one of them.
It was a massive shock that children could be capable of such horrors, and no internet back then - so issues were discussed in a different way.
I would imagine that Thomas and Venables were left to their own devices - with no idea what they were doing or capable of. The neighbours, authorities probably saw them as truants, nuisances etc but then it turned out that their families were known to services - but it was all rumour via word of mouth back then.
I would say that, others are more aware of concerning behaviour now, A teenager, ordering weapons like cross bows via the internet being a red flag. I wonder where how he financed his weapon collection?
I'm sure there was denial and hope that he wasn't that bad but as soon as he was going around harming other children they should have done something because it was no longer a private or family issue.More about his parents actions
Parents of Southport killer were 'in denial' after previous school hockey stick attack, inquiry hears
PC Paul Harrison had visited the parents of Axel Rudakubana after he attacked a pupil in 2019, five years before murdering three girls.
I understand shame might have made them put their heads down but at this point, his violence wasn't a secret and if he didn't kill those girls at minimum he'd eventually have gone to prison for some kind of assault or attempted murder.
He was young enough that they could have tried to correct his behaviour, he did all of these awful things while still being a child.
I'm confused by some reports saying the parents called the police and were desperate for help from authorities/services, and others saying they downplayed things.
Yes the inquiry seems to contradict other reports that they were desperate for help? It does come across that they didn’t intervene enough in his early yrs surely they knew their young child had access to violent material when he was so vocal about it to others?
Very telling that the police officer who visited the house in 2019 suggested they were terrorists (plural). A lot of red flags on this family
That was a very odd comment to make
I'd read that as more of a general he didn't realise the role would involve dealing with terrorists as well as run of the mill criminals, rather than meaning multiple members of the family were terrorists.
His mum did phone police but his father didn’t want it taken further claiming he was seeking outside support.
news.sky.com
Southport stabbings: Parents of killer struggled to deal with his violent outbursts as he grew older, inquiry told
The inquiry heard about a series of 999 calls, in the first of which, on 5 November 2021, his mother told police her son had been smashing the house up and throwing things at people.
I knew the mum and dad would turn out to be pathetic excuses for parents. I just knew it.
So it seems the Prevent programme is a much use as a chocolate teapot
www.lbc.co.uk
Southport killer Axel Rudakubana requested 'picture of a severed head' | LBC
He brought a knife to his previous school on 10 occasions, was found searching for school shootings in America, and questioned why he could colour in Call of Duty images during lessons, but couldn't look at guns
www.lbc.co.uk
Started a new thread.
Southport Attacks and Aftermath #7
New thread time. I brought this over from the previous one to start things off. So it seems the Prevent programme is a much use as a chocolate teapot https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/southport-killer-axel-rudakubana-requested-picture-of-a-severed-head-5HjdFBw_2/
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