Southport Attacks and Aftermath #4

[carriage120217]

Firstly, who on Earth are "the Asians"? Asia is the biggest continent in the world comprising people of all colours, backgrounds, cultures and faiths. Our country had an Asian PM just a few weeks ago, there are currently two Cabinet ministers with an Asian heritage, our capital city has an Asian mayor, the former superintendent of the Metropolitan police was Asian, Asian doctors are keeping the NHS running, there are prominent Asians in the media, sport, the arts etc. How can a group so thoroughly weaved into the fabric of society simultaneously fail to integrate?

I'm so sorry Asians are not joining you for a drink down your local pub. One reason could be that a large proportion of Asia follow the Islamic faith and therefore are unlikely to drink alcohol. Another reason could be that a number of eastern Asians carry a variation of the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme which leads to an alcohol intolerance, or "alcohol flush". Another reason could be that some sects of Hinduism do not permit alcohol. Again, it's really hard to say as I don't know who you mean when you say "the Asians".

I live semi-rurally and have heard a lot about the drive to open the countryside up to BAME hikers. A lot of BAME people don't feel safe in rural areas because they face racism and discrimination. Disgustingly, in many of the areas around Kent, they get mistaken for Channel migrants and face abuse. I don't see this initiative as any different to womens only hiking groups where there is a feeling of safety in numbers. Sex, religion, ethnicity, age, disability - these are all protected characteristics that attract safe spaces where they can be themselves and have a sense of community. It's really not that hard to understand.

 

[miss n thropy]

Elon Musk is acting like he really fancied the UK, got knocked back, and has now turned into an obsessive stalker.
He’s not right in the head.

 

[miss n thropy]

I just saw this online, one of the judges presiding over some of the recent rioters in court.

 

[Jas19/2]

Well racial tension are very much on the rise I’ve just been called the N world I’ve been called a coconut because I have white mum black dad but never the N word I’m shocked

 

[carriage120217]

We can’t integrate, the main reason being that we do not socialise together.
I was out last night watching a wee band in a pub, having a few drinks, dancing, having a laugh. There were some POC there. All together. Socialising. There was no trouble.
Where were the Asians?
I watched a TV program about Asians (local to me) setting up a hiking group, for Asians. Why not join one of the many established hiking groups?
Again, we do not socialise. Most of our interactions are transactional. Work, retail. Brief exchanges.
How can we socialise in the places that we traditionally use when some forbid themselves from going? When some set up their own exclusive activity groups, which are then normalised, and even applauded.
We do not socialise, rather, we demonise and downgrade the others means of socialising.

There's just so much wrong with this post, I don't even know where to start.

 

[cl16girlie]

Same here, I'm sick of it. I'm an educated and fair minded person who has just had enough of illegal immigrants turning up here and expecting us taxpayers to bankroll them. How about they stay in their own countries and work out their own problems so they can better themselves in their own society? Labour and other lefties are abhorrent with they way they treat the indigenous population of this country.

You know who you should be blaming? The tory government. The last government that is the reason theyre coming here still, not Labour or lefties. Your anger is misdirected just as we’ve seen many times on this thread before. No one is classed as illegal either, that’s language used to stoke up hatred against immigrants. The reason why they’re still here because the tory government had allowed the backlog to grow and grow because it was an easy way to gain people on their side. If the tory government actually wanted to solve the issue, they’d have repaired our relationship with France, made it so they didn’t need to claim asylum on British soil etc. but they didn’t do that. Because it’s easier to blame immigrants for their failings rather than themselves.

I feel like a broken record on this thread sometimes, no matter how many times it’s said that it’s gotten to this point because of the Tories, somehow Labour (who I’m not fond of either) and lefties get blamed?!

 

[Moth]

I messed up on my post and didn’t finish it anyway, I really can’t be arsed to spell it out. Google it if you need the info on what Tony Blair did to this country. He also murdered millions of Iraqis which ultimately caused the chaos in the Middle East resulting in mass emigration from their. But you know this so I don’t need to spell it out

Yes I knew about his support for the Iraq invasion although I doubt that this was the main reason that 'millions' of Iraqis died or that the UK was brought "pretty much to its knees". I didn't know about his government's disastrous impact on the UK's railways and British industry but as you offered to 'spell it out' for me I thought perhaps you did. It seems not. A quick 'Google' search doesn't turn up much of note either. I have found one or two other things for which you can blame him and his successor, Gordon Brown though. Both terrible men.

85,000 more nurses
NHS waiting times down 82%
98% of A&E patients seen in 4 hours
Free eye tests for over 60s
Heart disease deaths down 150,000
Cancer deaths down 50,000
Free breast screening for 50-70 year olds
600,000 children lifted out of poverty
1 million pensioners lifted out of poverty
26% increase in child benefit
Introduced winter fuel payments
Improvements to 1 million social houses
Introduced Child Tax Credit
Created 3 million child trust funds
Free bus travel for over 60s
Introduced the minimum wage
Created 1.8 million new jobs
Cut long term unemployment by 75%
Doubled the number of apprenticeships
Introduced the right to 24 days paid holiday
Introduced 2 weeks paternity leave
Doubled education funding for every pupil
36,000 additional teachers
Added 274,000 teaching assistants
2,200 Sure Start centres
Record literacy
Record numeracy
Free nursery place
Free fruit for 4-6 year olds
Civil Partnerships
Banned fox hunting
Free TV licences to over 75s
Free entry to museum and art galleries
Smoking ban
14,000 extra police
Cut crime by 35%
Increased criminal justice spending by 21%
Longest period of low inflation growth since 1960
Independent Bank of England
Wrote off debt for dozens of poor nations
Doubled overseas aid
Created Gift aid
Devolution for Scotland and Wales
Banned fur farming
Brought the Human Rights Act into UK Law

 

[londongirl2001]

Oh ffs. Do you really need it spelling out. Railways, industry,

Ukrainians stood up though? Afghans didn’t.

And can you, as the expert on Afghanistan, explain in detail what happened? I’m sure my Afghan-born parents, neither of which will see their birth place again before they die, would love to read your essay on „why Afghans didn’t stand up“.

 

[IGiveUp22]

Those poor little girls and their families. I just can’t even imagine the pain they’re going through.

A side note - ive seen a video from the mosque in Southport who opened their doors to anyone that wanted to go chat/challenge etc he said the locals (a lot that took part in the riot) came and did ask questions, challenging them about their views on women and children etc and it all seemed to help build a few bridges - so important for this kind of thing to keep happening.

 

[Moth]

... Same here, I'm sick of it. I'm an educated and fair minded person who has just had enough of illegal immigrants turning up here and expecting us taxpayers to bankroll them.

Why do you think that they "expect us taxpayers to bankroll them"? It was the Tories decision to slow and eventually stop processing asylum application and to restrict the right to work.

How about they stay in their own countries and work out their own problems so they can better themselves in their own society?

Yes I am sure those Afghans could have got along with the Taliban quite well if only they tried and the Syrians could have sorted things out with that nice President Assad over a cup of tea and just decided not to have a 7.8 scale earthquake.

 

[Shimmering]

Well good. I hope anyone who turns it down won't be accused of not integrating because it may be that it's not within their interests or capability.

And there are many ways of integrating into society which don't have to be visible or obvious to each and every one of us.

Exactly. In my local area one kind hearted but slightly misguided group organised paddle boarding sessions for asylum seekers which nobody attended.

Why? Was it because a) they hate our country and don't want to integrate, or was it because b) nobody had asked if it was something they'd like to do c) it was paddle boarding in the sea in cold, wet weather and / or d) they were people who'd potentially arrived in the UK via a terrifying small boat crossing who never wanted to be on water again.

 

[kev1974]

Well this is a judge I can get behind.

Judge launches into rioter over what he's cost the UK in his life

The judge did not hold back

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Judge Robert Linford then rounded on Cann telling him that according to his police interview he discussed with them "about the better use of taxpayers' money and why people were having to pay to keep these people in this country after committing such heinous crimes."

Judge Linford then launched a stinging rebuke,saying: "So let's look at how the taxpayer have been funding your activities over the last 38 years - let's see what you've cost the country: you've got 10 aliases, four fictitious birth dates, you're 51 years of age, you've been convicted of 170 offences, you been convicted of theft, arson, taking cars, handling stolen goods, obtaining by deception, burglary, dangerous driving and possessing bladed articles. In all over the years that you've been visiting the criminal justice system you've received sentences totalling 357 months in prison, many of them concurrent.

"In other words, nearly 30 years. That Mr Cann is what you've been costing this country and you sit there in that interview and saw fit to be critical of others. You have no right whatever to say who should or should not be in this country."

 

[Onetwofour]

Ughhhh. I despise Hamas. But people too blind to not see what the IDF have done to Palestinians for decades will always surprise me. Israel has its own extremists and what they are doing right now in the West Bank is not pretty. Palestinian civilians are not hamas. If you cannot see that, well done you managed to deshumanise a whole population.

 

[miss n thropy]

The whole word expats really annoys me. Again it comes back to language doesn’t it.
Expat = ok
Immigrant = not okay (for some)

They’re largely the same thing. I find it interesting our (not meaning me & you but in general) use of these words.

I saw a video on TikTok yesterday of someone talking about the language the media has used to report the recent riots and it was definitely interesting. I think the media has a lot to answer for with regarded to fuelling a lot of anger about a lot of things

I would also add that in the minds of some people

Expat=white
Immigrant=not white.

 

[Onetwofour]

Such a lovely little clique on this thread

What I find funny is people getting upset when they are asked to develop their opinion...on a forum where people debate. Some people are being offended for being asked why they think this way or how they can support their statements. Democracy is all about debating and defending your opinion, not shouting things without bringing arguments.

I don't blame people per se - politicians and medias are doing exactly the same. They became lazy now they just shout things without having to back what they claim. Freedom of speech is having the freedom to speak your mind but it doesn't prevent people to disagree with you or attack your opinions. If people cannot answer back it would contradict the idea of freedom of speech as they would be silenced. Disagreeing is part of freedom of speech. Freedom of speech doesn't prevent people to be accountable of what they say. Words are powerful and when people incite hatred they should deal with the consequences.

I find healthy to have different opinions on this thread - even more when people can explain their thoughts.

 

[lookwhatthecatdraggedin1]

The first of the funerals today

 

[LadyLockdown]

I lived in the US and witnessed an innocent pedestrian woman get shot in the face.

Driving home, 2 guys who had road rage with each other got out of their cars on the multi-lane road, yelling at each other, aimed their guns and the one to take the first shot missed and hit her.

It was a Wednesday afternoon about 4:30pm in a Texas suburb. Couldn't pay me to live there again.

 

[SaLou]

Elon Musk is acting like he really fancied the UK, got knocked back, and has now turned into an obsessive stalker.
He’s not right in the head.

Piers Morgan/Meghan Markle vibes

 

[Blueblue123]

Another GoFundMe drama

It seems like he's been a bit blindsided.

The employer set up the GFM on Brendan's behalf saying it was to replace his car only.

As the money rolled in, they edited the GFM and said they'd use some of the money to pay their staff for a loss of earnings because they cancelled shifts due to safety, then some would go to charity and the community.

It seems like they failed to agree with him on what the money would be for, and he understandably assumed he could use all of it how he wanted.

Now they're insinuating he's entitled for wanting to use the money for a better car, rent and school.

People are now accusing the employer of fraud and saying they're exploiting him.

 

[Lars Guinard]

Holy shit.
The deflections. Talk about not actually wanting to address the issue.
Of course, yes, not ‘feeling comfortable’ in the countryside because it contains ‘white people’.
What is wrong with joining one of the established hiking groups, all of which are inclusive?
Must be scary even contemplating joining that well known hot bed of thuggery. The Ramblers Assiciation.
This thread is literally a joke.

I assume the hiking group you referred to previously is Boots and Beards/Bonnie Boots? The Asian gentleman that set it up, he did so initially for health reasons...then thought the reasons he was reluctant to hike may apply to other Asian people or those who never even thought of trying hiking due to a fear of 'fitting in'.
I think it is a great initiative to let people try and get comfortable with an activity and eventually they can get confident enough to join the established and inclusive hiking groups.
From personal experience, I know how daunting it is to join groups/clubs when you are the 'other' or have little experience and therefore lack confidence attempting.
I think sometimes I just want to do an activity...recently, it was a pottery class, without being questioned and made to feel like the representative for all Muslims/Asian people. I just want to make a wonky vase and not have to explain that just because the one Muslim you know hoovers at 6am...no, it's not a religious practice!