Sir Keir Starmer #2

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lol Richard Madely not letting it go. Thieves in full rabbit in the headlights mode. Lying cow.

You have to wonder why the BBC and Sky are never asking her these very simple questions.

Who knew Richard Madeley was the UK's most hard hitting journalist?
 
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You have to wonder why the BBC and Sky are never asking her these very simple questions.

Who knew Richard Madeley was the UK's most hard hitting journalist?
That Beth Rigby seems like a lefty to me, so she's not likely to ask the tough questions.
 
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lol Richard Madely not letting it go. Thieves in full rabbit in the headlights mode. Lying cow.

I bet Kate Garraway didn't like that at all. Especially with her late husband Derek being involved with Labour for so many years.
 
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That champagne at Tesco was an OVERSIGHT. Judy told me 😏
Next time I see someone trying to shove a frozen chicken up their jumper in the Tesco freezer aisle I’ll be sure to tell them to invoke the Madeley defence and they’ll get off scot free.
Oversight my bloody arse.
 
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Next time I see someone trying to shove a frozen chicken up their jumper in the Tesco freezer aisle I’ll be sure to tell them to invoke the Madeley defence and they’ll get off scot free.
Oversight my bloody arse.
Your attempts to divert us from the current situation are valiant and hilarious but we see you hunny.
Miss Thieves DISASTROUS appearance on several tv and radio outlets this morning were beyond embarrassing.
 
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Your attempts to divert us from the current situation are valiant and hilarious but we see you hunny.
Miss Thieves DISASTROUS appearance on several tv and radio outlets this morning were beyond embarrassing.
And that Lego hair :LOL: why are her and Starmer so robotic? The way they look, talk, act. It's creepy AF
 
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Next time I see someone trying to shove a frozen chicken up their jumper in the Tesco freezer aisle I’ll be sure to tell them to invoke the Madeley defence and they’ll get off scot free.
Oversight my bloody arse.
Nice to hear that you would support a crackdown on shoplifting. All those “I’m getting nappies I’m on the breadline boo hoo “ claims when the dirty, theiving little scroats are stealing to order. Theiving is bad, even when you’re a lefty. We agree?
 
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And that Lego hair :LOL: why are her and Starmer so robotic? The way they look, talk, act. It's creepy AF
They are both robots aren't they. It's like they are programmed with certain responses and can't deviate from them. It's usually blame the last government, 22bn black hole, waffle waffle waffle
 
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Nice to hear that you would support a crackdown on shoplifting. All those “I’m getting nappies I’m on the breadline boo hoo “ claims when the dirty, theiving little scroats are stealing to order. Theiving is bad, even when you’re a lefty. We agree?
Of course the hypocrisy of such individuals is off the scale - yet again.

They like to bang on about 'rehabilitation' and giving people 'second chances' - but only for those individuals they favour. Hardened criminals who will never change, celebrities and politicians on the left of politics.

Anyone else gets their 'rap sheet' dragged up for years after.

'Nothing to see with this Labour Politician, as that conviction happened a few years ago. What about that Tory MP who was convicted of this 20 years ago, we shall go on about that for many years to come.'

Pure double standards - as usual.
 
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There's no plan for any growth. Much of it hinges on building a new runway, which even if the diggers started tomorrow it probably wouldn't be here until at least 2040.

Transport between Oxford and Cambridge sounds like a good idea, but that'll be 10+ years away and have little effect for growth. Arm was one of the biggest success stories in the UK, sold for 32bn and now apparently worth 161bn.

Europe is falling so far behind the US and China. Little innovation, no growth, just ever increasing taxes and public finances on a collision course.

Tallent is leaving in droves. Get a £80k/€100k job in London or Frankfurt for a mid lifestyle or get a $250k job in the US like Austin and pay about 30% tax and you can afford a lifestyle far better than Europe.

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Won't raise income tax, but other costs like water bills are going up 27% and pay frozen this year as employers have to pay increased taxes. Bunch of liars.
Water rate rises frustrate me. We’re paying for them to be given bonuses whilst we have to fix their messes. How is this right?
Yorkshire water is owned by two companies outside of the UK and part owned by an Australian company who uses it for pensions. The other part the Singaporean government and a company in Hong Kong. Their main base is jersey and they haven’t been paying taxes for years (they could be paying now but as far back as 2014).
If that’s the case, how the hell do they have the gall to raise people’s rates?! Disgusting that people in Yorkshire are funding a foreign government and looking after pensions for people in Australia. They’re a terrible company, I used to live in Yorkshire and the amount of times you’d get bills with raises or hose pipe bans when they were leaking thousands of gallons a day.
 
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There's no plan for any growth. Much of it hinges on building a new runway, which even if the diggers started tomorrow it probably wouldn't be here until at least 2040.

Transport between Oxford and Cambridge sounds like a good idea, but that'll be 10+ years away and have little effect for growth. Arm was one of the biggest success stories in the UK, sold for 32bn and now apparently worth 161bn.

Europe is falling so far behind the US and China. Little innovation, no growth, just ever increasing taxes and public finances on a collision course.

Tallent is leaving in droves. Get a £80k/€100k job in London or Frankfurt for a mid lifestyle or get a $250k job in the US like Austin and pay about 30% tax and you can afford a lifestyle far better than Europe.

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Taxes baffle me in the UK. As soon as you hit £50k, you’re paying 40% tax. £50k a year salary isn’t a lot if you’re supporting a family and almost half of it is taken in tax, then factor in NI contributions and pension.
My husband was a lecturer in the UK and was proud to be teaching the next generation of students, he was commuting from Swansea to London to teach 4 days a week as it was cheaper to drive and stay in an air b&b than live in London on that wage.
I can’t work anymore due to a severe disability so he was a one wage house. We weren’t entitled to any help (and would never expect it)
We moved to the states 2 years ago for a professor position. His wage is a lot better. He had more respect than he did in his last job (constant racist jibes about him being Welsh and his accent etc). Tax rate in the US for his salary is 22%, only those over $600k pay 37%.
yes there’s healthcare etc but it still works out better than the UK. And that’s what drives people away. You’re treated badly for working in an honest job. I understand taxes help everyone but I don’t think any government is helping anyone.
 
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To be fair it’s 40% tax on the amount you earn over £50k. Up until then it’s 20% with the first £12,570 being tax free.
But I agree with the general point that any incentive to do better, to climb the income ladder is stifled unless you get into the super-earner numbers where even after the tax is take you’re still very rich.
The other thing that’s so unfair is how you’re taxed on money you’ve already paid tax on. Salary? taxed. Put part of that income into savings or investments? the interest is taxed. Pension that you’ve spent your life saving for? taxed. Leave some money when you die? taxed. These are the “broadest shoulders must bear the cost” people that Starmer talked about. He didn’t mean the super rich, he meant ordinary people getting off their arses to go to work every day, save for the future and do the right thing. All so that we can pay out to the scroats who are on the take.
 
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My friend, a manual worker, who has been made redundant, isn’t a big earner, has been in hospital for a sort of minor/serious operation. Keyhole surgery type thing,
He pays N.I, tax….but statutory pay means he loses 3 days wages. It’s a fortune to someone like him.
When I was made redundant even though I had paid in to my National Insurance….and isn’t insurance something to protect you….I wasn’t entitled to a penny as my redundancy was just over £5k. I paid it into my mortgage rather than lose my house but that was considered as frittering it and not using it as living expenses.
I would have been better off on benefits!
The system does not support those who work!
 
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Taxes baffle me in the UK. As soon as you hit £50k, you’re paying 40% tax. £50k a year salary isn’t a lot if you’re supporting a family and almost half of it is taken in tax, then factor in NI contributions and pension.
My husband was a lecturer in the UK and was proud to be teaching the next generation of students, he was commuting from Swansea to London to teach 4 days a week as it was cheaper to drive and stay in an air b&b than live in London on that wage.
I can’t work anymore due to a severe disability so he was a one wage house. We weren’t entitled to any help (and would never expect it)
We moved to the states 2 years ago for a professor position. His wage is a lot better. He had more respect than he did in his last job (constant racist jibes about him being Welsh and his accent etc). Tax rate in the US for his salary is 22%, only those over $600k pay 37%.
yes there’s healthcare etc but it still works out better than the UK. And that’s what drives people away. You’re treated badly for working in an honest job. I understand taxes help everyone but I don’t think any government is helping anyone.
Do you understand how income tax works? You don't suddenly pay 40% tax on all of your income once you hit £50k. It's banded, you get a personal allowance of up to £12,570, pay 20% tax on anything between £12,571 - £50,270, 40% on anything between £50,271 - £125,140.

I think a lot of our polorised opinions come from not actually understanding the issue being talked about.
 
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Shoplifters in these salubrious parts are dressed up to hilt so don't attract attention. Until you see them, sans shop basket, slipping a grab of prime steaks into a high end designer shopping bag.

Now if I'd just bought something big & pricey from Harvey Nicks, the last thing I'd pop in us a few packs of raw steak.

Stealing to order.
 
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But I agree with the general point that any incentive to do better, to climb the income ladder is stifled
I know people in industries where there's a huge lack of supply who are choosing to go 3 days a week because it's just not worth working 5 days to be taxed a greater % of income. I dispute that there's a lack of people to do jobs, there's a lack of people to do jobs for the pay and conditions on offer.

Governments everywhere are addressing this with more immigration which doesn't fix the underlying issues. It leads to inflating the prices of most things and suppressing wages. It's a disaster.

Then you have the birth rate drastically falling because people either don't want children with the state of things at the moment or can't afford to. The system is reliant on new people to keep the pyramid going.

This a demographic time bomb and it's just starting to go off with the huge drop in births from the 70s and 80s.
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So few people at the bottom to support the huge bulge that are nearing retirement.
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Edit sorry I forgot this was the the Keir thread! But it shows the issues the UK is having but italy have it worse.
 
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I'm a high earner and in the mid tax bracket, any bonuses or commission tip me into the top paying one. I know I'm very lucky to even be verging on the high tax bracket compared to other people, including my own family; I've got where I am with no family support, I couldn't go to university because my household couldn't afford me to, so I started at the bottom in a job that meant I could pay my keep, and I was very lucky, and honestly very driven, but I am where I am because of multiple factors. I know I'm lucky, but at the same time, when I make any 'additional' (bonuses/commission) money, it's almost gone before it even hits my wage slip. I earned (in commission; I get a % based on what I add to the business) this month, and once tax and NI had taken hold it was less than £1k in my bank. I'm in a great position to even be complaining about this I know, but when I saw my payslip this month I did think "why am I bothering?" I worked REALLY hard to get that additional 3k and I've actually seen so little of it that it's almost irrelevant. That attitude doesn't drive growth
 
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