Secret Celebrity Gossip #134

[PeteM]

Graham is a good man and not at all a predator.

 

[Jelly Bean]

The people saying that Brand should be presumed innocent until his day in court, fair enough. But the implication is that they don't think the Times and Dispatches should have aired the allegations. So what are they saying, that the media should never do investigative journalism, should never air allegations about bad behaviour unless the allegations have beren examined in a court of law first? So basically they just want the media to only print celeb and politician-approved puff pieces? OK then.

Particularly rich coming from Piers who whilst he was Mirror Editor allowed a story to run about British troops in Iraq which was false, he knew to be false, and did untold damage to the reputation of the Forces. He also knew that hacking was going on as he admits himself in his autobiography.

And what about the times when investigative journalism actually helped justice to be done? Would Stephen Lawrence's killers have been brought to justice without the tireless campaigning of the Daily Mail in the face of legal threats and death threats? Probably not.

When I see male celebs defending Brand I think 'What bad behaviour did YOU commit in your past that you're now shitting yourself about?"

I reckon there's lots of male celebs of a certain vintage that've been shitting themselves since Saturday.

GOOD.

Good points.
And you have to wonder if a lot of people are saving their skins now - I imagine if Brand goes down it won't be without a fight or without taking a lot of people with him. He probably knows an awful lot of dirt about many others

 

[jackolantern]

I'm getting really, really, really bleeping sick of hearing the same "not all men" tit from male loved ones. I can not get it through their bleeping heads. They just don't want to be tarred with the same brush. I get that. But this tit of, well it's not their fault but shouldn't we educate women to stay away from men like this? So yeah, you are blaming us. What about Wayne Couzens, should Sarah have stayed away from a police officer? What about the kindest, loveliest men you've ever met that turn to assault? I'm getting so bleeping angry that all they hear about how they are wronged here and do not understand the perpetual terror and steps we already take OUR WHOLE LIVES because we can't bleeping tell which ones are the bad ones (nor should any onus be on us at all, no means no, the blame is solely the bleeping rapist pig). I can't even talk anymore, we've had to stop talking about it all together because they won't ever get it and it's turning into a nasty argument. bleeping tired of being a woman and not being heard.

Yes, it's not nice for people to assume you are going to harm them, but I'll sooner do that than risk being bleeping assualted or killed.

 

[Chocolategoggler]

I think most women have a range of bad experiences starting from a very young age and ranging in traumatising. And it doesn’t stop in middle age unfortunately. A young guy refused to let me get off a bus (his hand was “caressing” my leg) a few years ago. And when I tried to get up he pushed me down in my seat, and only an intervention from a female passenger who got the driver to stop, did I get away. I should have reported that one but my faith in the police is at rock bottom these days. Plus on lockdown on a walk a guy followed me in his car, and parked up and came towards me and started a conversation - hey beautiful, where you going? I felt vulnerable and just ended up going into the grounds of a care home to shake him off. I then felt I had to alter my routine.

I have nearly been abducted before, when I was in school uniform. Lots of bad experiences with public transport, watching men wank on the tube, others touching me. So many incidents - even just vile talk. See Katherine Ryan has reported the hassle her 14 year old experienced on the tube recently - it is disgusting.

I don’t want to make this a race thing, but with the exception of the abduction attempt, every standout incident for me, has been perpetrated by men from an Asian/Middle Eastern/black background. Even work incidents. I am a blond woman, and I think this makes me an “easy” target. They think I am either going to be receptive to any man’s advances or that because I am not from their culture I am easy meat. I know this behaviour is carried out by all types of men, but for me, that has been my experience.

My Asian friends explain it as " they came to this country in the 1950's/1960's and they didn't progress in their thinking. They still think like they thought back then, whereas their birth country moved on and progressed."
So they must feel like they are in a sweet shop looking at us independent women in the UK.
And when you think back to how women were treated in the 50's and 60's in the UK if they transgressed " the family honour".

 

[ReadySteadyGrift]

Just had to check that Russell doesn't have the same Dad as Anthony Kiedis.......another exemplary example of how not to raise your Son to be a misogynistic hole.

 

[DM Me Hun]

Always get the impression that Graham Norton would be the best company for a boozy brunch

 

[BiffasBeemer]

Does anyone just feel really, really bleeping angry now? I’ve been talking about this with friends over the weekend and everyone has their own horrendous stories to tell, from rape, to sexual assault, to sexual harassment, to stalking, to unwanted attention, to the little comments from men that we’re supposed to laugh off and just take on the chin to make them feel better about themselves. We have spent our whole lives with it ingrained in us that simply by virtue of being female we have to adapt our behaviours to try and keep ourselves safe, and even then our safety is not guaranteed. And if anything does happen we have been conditioned not to speak up for fear of not being believed, and knowing that even if we did speak up it’s very unlikely that the perpetrator will receive any sort of punishment. You just get on with life carrying that massive burden because you don’t feel like there is an alternative and I’m absolutely sick of it. I feel like I need to do something but it’s so big, where do you even start?

It has shocked me that so many of us have had similar experiences. Mine are more minor than most but even so I look back at things in my past with new eyes and how it really wasnt my fault - how I was played and manipulated and I am actually going a bit easier on myself as a result.

I hope others reading this thread who have been through such trauma are feeling a similar release - thank you to everyone <3

 

[Curlygirl28]

Always get the impression that Graham Norton would be the best company for a boozy brunch

Oh love that!! With George, PaulOG and Keanu

 

[Carefree]

When this asshole of an ex tried to dish dirt on Graham, the best he could do was "drinks too much and loves his dogs."

Graham Norton would drink up to four bottles of wine A NIGHT, his ex-boyfriend Trevor Patterson reveals

His former boyfriend Trevor Patterson tells how Graham sometimes drinks until he passes out

www.mirror.co.uk

You could say the same about me but just one dog and no Cork accent. Just Corkonian blood and genes

 

[Libbylulu]

I’m getting so worked up with all this ‘trial by media ‘ nonsense. One could argue that that’s what Jimmy Saville got. He wasn’t even here to defend himself. It would have been interesting were he still alive when the story about him broke and him then defending himself. Would there have been people siding with him and shouting about him being a National Treasure?! There was enough evidence to know he was guilty, just like Brand!

 

[Serene Serena]

Oh love that!! With George, PaulOG and Keanu

Count me in

 

[Eureka]

I'm getting really, really, really bleeping sick of hearing the same "not all men" tit from male loved ones. I can not get it through their bleeping heads. They just don't want to be tarred with the same brush. I get that. But this tit of, well it's not their fault but shouldn't we educate women to stay away from men like this? So yeah, you are blaming us. What about Wayne Couzens, should Sarah have stayed away from a police officer? What about the kindest, loveliest men you've ever met that turn to assault? I'm getting so bleeping angry that all they hear about how they are wronged here and do not understand the perpetual terror and steps we already take OUR WHOLE LIVES because we can't bleeping tell which ones are the bad ones (nor should any onus be on us at all, no means no, the blame is solely the bleeping rapist pig). I can't even talk anymore, we've had to stop talking about it all together because they won't ever get it and it's turning into a nasty argument. bleeping tired of being a woman and not being heard.

Yes, it's not nice for people to assume you are going to harm them, but I'll sooner do that than risk being bleeping assualted or killed.

It’s really getting on my nerves too and shows complete ignorance of the lived experience of women.

 

[theleagueofgentlemen]

I'm getting really, really, really bleeping sick of hearing the same "not all men" tit from male loved ones. I can not get it through their bleeping heads. They just don't want to be tarred with the same brush. I get that. But this tit of, well it's not their fault but shouldn't we educate women to stay away from men like this? So yeah, you are blaming us. What about Wayne Couzens, should Sarah have stayed away from a police officer? What about the kindest, loveliest men you've ever met that turn to assault? I'm getting so bleeping angry that all they hear about how they are wronged here and do not understand the perpetual terror and steps we already take OUR WHOLE LIVES because we can't bleeping tell which ones are the bad ones (nor should any onus be on us at all, no means no, the blame is solely the bleeping rapist pig). I can't even talk anymore, we've had to stop talking about it all together because they won't ever get it and it's turning into a nasty argument. bleeping tired of being a woman and not being heard.

Yes, it's not nice for people to assume you are going to harm them, but I'll sooner do that than risk being bleeping assualted or killed.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, whenever someone gives it the ‘Not all men’ bollocks, just ask them which ones it is then. Ask them to specifically tell you, and all women which ones it is. Ask them to point them out, to give us names, and to show us who to avoid.
They bleeping can’t, and it shuts them up quickly.

 

[miss n thropy]

bleeping hell, I’ve found myself agreeing with Andrew Pierce today, worlds gone to tit!

 

[DCICassieStuart]

David walliams has been mentioned a bit here. Are there rumours about him?

Does a bear tit in the woods?

 

[BambiK]

 

[thegirlscout]

With comments like this floating around social media (and no doubt expressed both publicly and privately) no wonder women don’t come forward

 

[HaloGirl]

My Asian friends explain it as " they came to this country in the 1950's/1960's and they didn't progress in their thinking. They still think like they thought back then, whereas their birth country moved on and progressed."
So they must feel like they are in a sweet shop looking at us independent women in the UK.
And when you think back to how women were treated in the 50's and 60's in the UK if they transgressed " the family honour".

Please please do not categorise everyone as the same. I am Asian (F) My family are Asian from India. I have lot of family and friends who are Asian. My father did not bring up my brother in this way and he was / and my uncles are, fervent believers in women’s rights and education and greater opportunities for women. This idea that Asian men don‘t progress is simply not true.

 

[wafflesnwings]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, whenever someone gives it the ‘Not all men’ bollocks, just ask them which ones it is then. Ask them to specifically tell you, and all women which ones it is. Ask them to point them out, to give us names, and to show us who to avoid.
They bleeping can’t, and it shuts them up quickly.

Coming off lurker mode to say: this is it for me. I feel the same anger mentioned above about it all. It puts the blame back onto women, even though we do everything possible to be safe, to not piss a man off, and even in dangerous situations we are blamed for our response or lack of one. "Why did you giggle when he said this?" "Why didn't you push him away?" "Why didn't you scream or punch him?" "Why did you go out dressed like that?"

We are asked, blamed, interrogated, scrutinised, held responsible for someone who chose to behave in a depraved manner, and then live with the consequences, while many of them seemingly get a free pass to find a spouse, have children, and settle down. Damned if we do. Damned if we don't. I am projecting a bit here. But this has picked away at an anger I have kept a lid on for a while now. I have so much love and respect for everyone who has shared their stories here, and how sad I feel at the lack of support so many experienced. I'm not ready to openly talk about my experience, even though we are all anonymous here. I don't think I will ever be mentally ready to hear someone utter stupid phrases to me of whataboutery, blame, chastising me for not going to the police etc. without wanting to throw a rock at them.
I hope everyone is taking extra care of and being emotionally gentle with themselves today. Hugs to you all

 

[Harlot O'Scara]

I bet whoever was complaining that this thread was too quiet and too chit chatty is really regretting it now....