Sali Hughes #4 The Keats of foundation

[Sputnik Sweetheart]

I haven’t posted for a while but here’s my Sali Hughes shit show round up:

A. Things I’ve been called by Sali Hughes and her blue tick army:

skid mark, shit mouth, turd (sophisticated theme developing), cunt, bitch, stupid, mentally ill, psycho, deranged, evil, vile, troll, sad, loser, fucking trash.

B. Things I have NEVER called Sali Hughes or her blue tick army in any public forum:

skid mark, shit mouth, turd, cunt, bitch, stupid, mentally ill, psycho, deranged, evil, vile, troll, sad, loser, fucking trash.

C. Things I did to Sali Hughes:

I asked Sali directly, by commenting on one of her Instagram posts, if she was paid for promoting certain things. I commented on another of Sali’s posts that beauty influencers were probably being compensated in some way by Charlotte Tilbury for promoting her brand.

D. Things I did not do and have never done to Sali Hughes:

Follow her or her beauty accounts on Facebook or Twitter, seek in any way to find out any information about her children, her husband, her mother, any member of her immediate or extended family, any of her friends (living or dead), comment in any way on any social media platform about her private life, her family, her friends, comment about any of her beauty industry peers, contact her directly or indirectly in any way apart from outlined above in section C.

E. Things Sali Hughes has done to me:

Block me on Instagram, stalk me on the internet, ask friends and employees to stalk me on the internet, attempt to obtain my home address, attempt to obtain personal information about me, verbally abuse me on various social media platforms, comment positively on many posts by her supporters wherein they verbally abuse me.

It’s been quite a week for me (all of us here, I know) thanks to the narcissistic delusions of Sali Hughes. I’ve also taken legal advice and know exactly where I stand in regard to her many and varied idle threats. So I say to her now in this very public forum to Bring It. Show me your evidence, have your lawyer contact my lawyer, message me directly. Put your cards on the table or shut your shit mouth. Oh dear, I’ve just invalidated section B....

 

[Lechat]

I had a quick look under some of SH tweets.

People posting here are referred to as:

Human vermin - Sam chapman
Low level of self awareness
Pitiful people
People in desperate need of jobs
Tossers
Bunch of nutters
Miserable little minds
Scum of the earth
C*nts
Pond scum
Mentally ill

Etc etc

Plus all the horrible, quite frankly threatening tweets posted by India Knight, CH and Sam Chapman (saying we should be outed to employers - for what having an opinion on on an influencer?! Are we in North Korea yet?) Jane from BBB.

Most people here are not the above. They are people fed up of being told by white rich woman who are represented by agencies what they can think about all this influencer business. yet it is fine for those blowing smoke up SH arse to say the above... maybe someone those people posting quite nasty comments in support of SH should realise they are closer to being the bullies they claim to speak against than they think.

 

[Twittrerisyouroffice]

I don't see that anything written in these threads matches what Sali alledged in her video. In fact, it was a group of people speculating on aspects of her professional and personal life, based on info that Sali made available herself in the public domain. People doing so anonymously as they risked actual abuse and doxxing if they did so publicly.

I talk to my very close friends about my sex life, my children, etc. I tend to do so in private. But imagine tthat we were all in the pub and I was loudly saying my husband was a great shag and a Tory. The table next to us overheard and moved to the beer garden, where they started laughing at what the woman next to them was boasting about. I wouldn't go to the authorities if I happened to find out they'd be mocking me.

Then imagine your colleague, who you don't know very well, shares aspects of her life with you in the office. She talks about her difficult relationship with her mum, her ex boyfriend, running away, her divorce, talking to her children about porn, (insert other articles from the Pool SH has written). One day, you and some other colleagues go out for coffee and discuss some inconsistencies in her stories. Or speculate on other details of the stories. This is gossipy, but surely not illegal?

Or imagine colleague A gives a contract to client xyz. You're not sure xyz deserves the contract and xyz is always taking your colleague out for expensive lunches. One day you and some other colleagues wonder if there is something underhand going on. One of you mentions it to colleague A. But A goes batshit and refuses to talk to you anymore.

Sali has long said Twitter is her office given she works from home. She also makes a living from writing first person accounts of her family, parenting, childcare, husband and her HONEST advice on buying beauty products.

This life was her choice and she has said it's afforded her freedoms that other jobs wouldn't. But Twitter is a public space. The internet is a public space. Her articles are published on public platforms.

It can't be nice to read people talking about your personal life and loved ones. I'd hate it. So I don't publicly share photos from my dead friend's funeral. I don't share intimate details of my sex life on my open Twitter feed. I don't write about the difficulties of my childhood or share photos of my children on my public insta.

You can't have it both ways Sali.

 

[BettyDoodah]

Quick interlude just to wish a warm welcome to the newbies who weren't lazy and sought the truth and the truth was found, glory be

 

[tpreston]

relevant authorities?

Imagine they're gonna have their gonna have to rope in a few different departments at Scotland Yard for this one.

Take a few detectives off knife crime, ponces and organised crime units.
When some anonymous people on the internet question the authenticity of a woman recommending products she got for free from companies that take her on junkets it means no stone left unturned. If our police service we can't help a woman earning over 50k a year whos recently lost child benefit who can they help.

Imagine the lead detective will ask the big questions

Was this abuse targeted directly at her? No sarg, it wasn't on Twitter. It was separate site you'd have to google your own name to find.

Was it overtly malicious? a couple of people mocked an uneven eyebrow and linked it to excessive botox use.

Have they been messaging her employers? Not as far as we can tell. Some people commented in comment sections of the articles shes written saying her advice is shoddy.

Did she really wear a jumper saying 'Lipstick, Literature, Liberalism' ? I'm sorry to report the jumper is real. We're in the process of trying to get it destroyed.

 

[Snazzycat]

Hi i'm a newbie who just spent the last few days reading all of this. Wow. I was brought her by a stylist article which mentioned Tattlelife.

I've bought both of Sali's books and used to enjoy watching her ITB series. I have probably spent a horendous amount of time and money buying products Sali has recommended. I trusted her over many 'Influencer' types because she came across as someone who did her research and constantly mentioned how she had integrity over others within the beauty industry who were promoting products for sponserships etc. A lot of the stuff recommned by her is overpriced and overhyped. I hate how instrumental she thinks she is in the beauty imdustry, she clearly has some sort of saviour complex and narcissistic tendancies.
I always found her terrible on camera as she seemed so uncomfortable in front of it and came across as such a pretentious sycophant towards her guests, and sometimes they felt forced.
I've long noticed inconsistencies with her backstory and i think much of it has been embelleshed or left out, i think she spins certains lines to come across as more authentic and for the clout. She isn't working class and I've not really ever seen any evidence she was a make-up artist. I don't think she is a woke feminist, i think she supports others when it suits her and gains her praise.
A lot of her writing is mean and cutting. Especially towards those that happen to harbour a different opinion to her. I never knew how horrible and rude she is on Twitter, it seems so unnecessary. She certainly comes across as a bully, and her privileged media friends are atrocious. What they did to Dawn P is disgusting and pathetic. They have written ugly misogynistic crap in response to a perfectly harmless gossip thread. They all clearly spend so much of their life on Twitter, thats the sad part, how on earth do they manage to have time to be woke left wing journalists and authors?
They remind me of when Facebook was new and me and my friends would have silly public conversations to look cool. I cringe now at how lame we were and how hilarious we thought we were at the time. The difference is we were 15 year old girls and we didn't troll other girls.
Her rant video is one of the best things i have ever seen, my teacup slipped to the floor in outrage and shattered over the lies she was telling, she was spitting feathers!
She struck me as somone who's mad they've been caught out though, as apposed to someone who is genuinely scared to leave the house for fears of trolls and skidmarks.
As for her appropriating the word troll for her discription of you intelligent and hilarious people, how fucking dare she! How do these threads compare to the people who get sent disgusting rape and death threats everyday on their socials releasing their addresses and phone numbers? Its beyond pathetic, by saying her life has been made hell because this it completely belittles some of the horendous trolling some people actually get. Especially as she has commited troll offenses herself!
I'm over her public Mother Theresa act too, she just has to go about it such a sanctimonious fashion. You can do nice things and not plaster it all over social media to strangers.
I will not be buying/watching/listening to anything she or her horrible friends are involved in. I feel embarssed to have bought into her lies for so long. People are allowed to think she is a phoney. The evidence is in these threads.

 

[MardiMi]

Hi! So after reading mumsnet I decided to pop over and read this cesspit of the lowest of the low scum in life and was shocked; that so many on MN and Sali totally misrepresent what's posted here. It's way more mild than any AIBU that is about a celeb!!

Have read all 4 threads over the last two days and enjoyed it. Sali must be living in a total bubble. The most telling thing was the confusion after her video as everyone here said it couldn't possibly be here because it didn't correlate at all. Then in her comments she confirmed it was tattle.

I'll probably just lurk here, but tattle seems like the only thing holding these people on Instagram and twitter accountable, a regulator in some way and I can see why people like Sali are going loco. I'm from a family of lawyers and any talk of legal action is ridiculous, does she also think TripAdvisor is trolling when someone leaves a negative review on a hotel?

Keep up with the good work!

Now off to find other threads to get up to speed with

 

[Thistles]

Wow, what drama. Had to re-sign up again just to add my support. From the accusations made by Sali, she is basically twisting the narrative rather than accept others have differing opinions about her Bestie CT, and her own misleading content. Have people accused CT of being a poor employer, yes. Have people felt misled in Sali's product recommendations due to her "tweakments" and undisclosed ads, partnerships etc, well yes. The only time people have mentioned her children, is to question why Sali is putting them on social media. The only time people have mentioned Carey, is to question why Sali thinks it appropriate to exploit her deceased friend's privacy and link it into brands like Chanel. The only time people have brought up her partner, is to question why she thinks bringing up what good a "shag" he is is professional and mature.

No one has "harassed" Sali, as far as I know, we are all just making product discussion and impartiality discussion that otherwise would have been made on the Guardian, if it were not heavily moderated. Whereas, according to this thread. Sali et al have bullied others on different forums if they disagree on product, made threats to posters, and searched through their profiles online. Neverminding the abuse she has given to Lauren Luke, Esther and Dawn. Along with the repeated use of homophobic and mental health slurs.

Crying like that in reaction to this thread just manipulation, as she has not addressed any of the comments and is instead wrongly accusing others of things she has done herself. It should be a time for humility and growth. To take onboard fellow women's negative experiences of the beauty industry, and address that her coloumn has turned into just a list of ad's.

If anyone has spoken about her personal life, it has been because she has published it online. Does she forget how she has bullied other women via social media, gone after for no real reason Owen Jones and Susan Sarandon, not made her forum a safe space for discussion, spoken about her childhood and career progression and used this as a means to qualify her opinions?

Her column is a throwback, she doesn't disclose that the products mentioned are "gifted", whereas a blogger or instagrammer would have to. She takes on freebies like haircuts etc like any other influencer that has little to do with her journalism. And her coloumn offers no reak eductation or empowerment. It's just shilling. Look at how Violette fr and co talk about makeup and wellbeing, it's fun, it's workable and transferable to differing price points. Look at how Nadine Baggott is so open about getting "tweakments", and presents this in a professional down to earth manner rather than masking it all. Influencers actually show products, they don't just give a list of plugs, plus a headshot that has nothing to do with what has been advertised, they demonstrate and offer a range of positive or more critical opinions. Shower cap gate, she could have included a pic of it being worn, test it out in comparison to those at cheaper price points, address that even for a re-usable it is shockingly expensive... but nothing, all that was taken from that was the manufacturer came into the comments to sook up to others "we named it after you!" and bash competitors, along with basically showing it was an AD rather than an organic decision from Sali.

That is what is concerning, people still think Sali is just recommending products she has "loved for years" and is not just the same as any other influencer who is plugging the latest launch. People in the comments think she is a professor of beauty & skincare, bit like caroline, and will buy thinking her opinion is qualified, when in reality, what do we actually learn from the column? Her use of "cruelty free" and ethics "boils my piss", as she never clarifies that a product has certain certifications, is owned by so and so unethical parent company, contains animal ingredients, is tested on animals etc.Considering it is also her column, there is no clear ethical slant either, which highlights that it's just a mish mash of ads (how can one promote L'oreal!).

Sorry for this long post, I'm sorry for others who have spoken on here who have been or felt intimated, that is not justifiable, and all over daring to have differing opinions on product!

 

[Yel]

New thread for Sali Hughes. Thread title by @BettyDoodah

I also would like to take this opportunity to say no posts have been deleted that correspond to what she said on her video. Messages of that nature have just never been posted here. But hey being pretty honest wouldn't get a viral video and tens of thousands of new followers.

Link to Giles corans video on sali hughes

View all other threads https://tattle.life/tags/sali-hughes/

 

[PineappleQueen19]

IK offering to send EJ round to the “bullies” houses for SH is laughable.

There’s a vast difference between a thug and a knob who has trouble controlling his temper.

What’s he going to do, turn up in a taxi and then claim it back from you in expenses?

 

[Jelly Bean]

Well well I've just had a look at the FB gtl thread on SHs video and no new messages of support for 14 hours and guess what - the hope we all here get punched in the tits comment has gone. I actually feel genuinely sorry for people on the group and not in a patronising way - they've all been lied to and duped by her and have been very supportive of her. Not that she went into the comments once to thank them. Thank god intelligent sensible people took the time to come over here and read the threads and see the story was 100% different to SH video of harmful lies. Thanks guys. Seriously.
Contrary to how SHs thinks (I imagine) I have got very little pleasure from this whole shitshow - it has at times been worrying with India Knight's husband threats and SH spying and knowing where we live and thousands of people wishing disgusting and violent things would happen to us plus last night I was genuinely sad and distressed reading the appalling things the 'coven' wrote about Dawn. People on here have been brilliant, funny, wise, respectful and polite unlike SHs and her friends.
I hope SH realises this was all so avoidable. All we ever did was sit in our bit of the net occasionally asking her mildly awkward work related questions. That. Was. It. She just wouldn't let it fucking lie (lie lie lie) and I imagine a lot of her friends are mighty pissed off with her today.

 

[georgina17]

Hi, I'm another newcomer, brought here by the Sali debacle. I thought 'oh, I must see what awful people these are!' expecting something from the Dark Web.
Well. Let's hope Sali never joins her local PTA or parish council, huh?
Puts a different light on things when you actually read the tame posts here.
I'm a farmer (yes, really) so not really au fait with the world of beauty. I don't even have an Instagram account. I'm a country bumpkin so I don't understand this world of make up and skin treatments being mainly a user of Swarfeggar and petroleum jelly, but my my. You all seem perfectly nice people. I'm disappointed .
Thanks for giving me a laugh. Have a lovely day.

 

[Boogs]

It is ridiculous that all these ‘feminists’ are deciding that she is being bitched about because she is so pretty and we are all ugly and jealous. Their sisterhood is very mean girls

 

[CloudierN]

Hello old timer SHB forum here. Like lots of others I saw the video, came here and suddenly clicked on what I’d felt uneasy about all this time.
In the ‘glory days’ of the forum I spent so much money on stuff that made no discernible difference, watched grown women fight over SPF, ‘childfree by choice, beauty counters, and so many others that I can’t remember/ even begin to dig back up again. And the thing that I’m beginning to realise is that I thought all this was NORMAL.
Turning on someone who disagrees with you? I would think well yes of course that’s normal because this isn’t the place, and shame on them for messing up our ‘happy place.’
I’m ashamed that I just did and said nothing because I thought it was just the way it works. What I’ve seen on here is a bunch of people chatting, wanging on (GAH) and any disagreement has been broadly pleasant. No queen bees. No ignoring newcomers. It’s bloody lovely.
Yes there have been some pretty close to the bone stuff but trolling? Bullying? Not in the slightest. I hope no-one has contacted her directly because yes that would be horrible. But having this space to set the world to rights is not a crime. And it’s a damn sight more polite than some of the stuff I’ve seen the blue tick crew wade into over the years - both publicly and on SHB.

 

[PoleStar]

I've deleted all the beauty influencers I was following, I did it last night. I just had a lightbulb moment and realised I don't need them! I grew up during the 70s and 80s when there was no Internet, no social media and no influencers ... and I managed just fine. I managed to choose my own makeup, my own skincare and to buy my own hair care and perfume ... all on my own!! Who needs these people, not me, I know what I like and what I need. Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

I'm another Mumsnet visitor.

I was intrigued by this story after Sali was an arsehole to me on Twitter a few months back (not on twitter now). She posted something very dramatic and sweeping statement-y like 'read those end of the week 'cant wait to get my bra off' tweets and thinks how can that be remotely comfortable' and i said something like 'I have small breasts and for me its a cultural expectation that we wear bras even when (some of us) don't need to, so yes its a relief when i take mine off' and she just went off at me about 'i didn't say that wasn't the case did I?' and something else very shrill and mean. I just thought 'what a twat' and moved on. Also noted how frequently she references her cumbersome big tits (dog whistle anyone?)

Then I saw a link to that video...eesh. The rage! the actual rage she was concealing. I thought she may pop at any moment. And then i thought wow that sounds really shit, having your kids and husband targeted. But then I've read this thread (over a few days) and I'm pretty horrified... at her.

Shes mean, cliquey, rude, snobby, stand offish, arse lickey until someones of no value to her anymore and cruel. God those Do'P tweets were ghastly. How can a grown woman go on like that? its 10 years ago so she was literally my age then. How embarrassing.

 

[Ferry]

In life birds of a feather do flock together. Media personalities of all descriptions will find commonalities and social media has accelerated this. So I am not particularly outraged that a lot of 'blue ticks' have publicly supported SH; many of them are, I suppose, colleagues, and having these relationships [via social media especially] can seem important when you are freelance (which can be quite lonely).

The problem is when the critical faculties of journalists and media commentators become blunted because of these associations. This has been exacerbated by the decline of print media and the associated reduction in rates per word. They're all competing for the same few scraps. What results is a circling of the wagons and although this is not a brand new phenomenon ( you only have to look at the demographic many journalists have traditionally been drawn from), social media has shone a bright light on protectionism, nepotism, and favouritism. Because those birds of a feather have been flocking together for so long, and sheltering each other from the hard opinions of people outside of the flock, they've lost touch with how badly their behaviour comes across to everyone else.

Opportunities arise not from talent necessarily, but from who and what you know. At its worst, you end up with starfucking, where certain people can do no wrong- even when they do- and on an everyday level the need to circle the wagons is as much about protecting one's own investment (in relationships, associations, and in the rightness of one's public judgement) as it does about loyalty to friends and associates. When one's opinions and loyalties are so public, and one works in what is essentially a narcissistic field, it becomes even harder to see something [bullying] for what it actually is because, in many ways, you have become complicit and having to admit you got it wrong becomes a public thing with a potential audience of millions.

 

[Snazzycat]

What did poor DP do for that Paul
Gimper douche to hate on her so much?
Looks like he had to get his most recent book published via crowdfunding.... He's also written for the Sun so it's safe to assume he's not a journalist.

I also think that a lot of the DP bullying lot are columnists and writers who are too used and paid too much just to give their opinion. But it's not really their opinions because they spend so much time trawling through Twitter for inspo, that's why they can never leave. They inevitably start to think their opinion is fact because a very small percentage of the populayion liked it, and anyone who disagrees is a knob or a troll. Every like or share of their articles/tweets/podcast reafirms their belief that they are amazing and hilarious and woke. They mix in the same circles so they think spending that much time on social media is normal (it's not unless you're a teenager), always trying to one up each other with the wittiest comeback or quip. It's narcissistic and toxic. Everyone's patting each other on the back instead of saying actually 'you're being a bit of a dick' like real friends would do! Everything is constant self promoting and plugging their friends work, bragging about who they used to hang out with in 'Cool Britania' years when they all just hated Thatcher going to The Fall gigs! Now they are all soft Torys on first name terms with their Ocado driver, who like to party on down in the Cotswolds at weekend and retweet other people's work like they are doing the world some kind of public service.

 

[redlinedlips]

Just had to pop my 2 pence on here.

Thanks so much Sali for telling me about this place, really interesting read even if it has taken me a few days to read it all.

I've thought something has been off with her for a while, these threads are all the evidence that she's a spiteful individual and mixes with unpleasant people.

Re the police my DH has worked for police Scotland for over 10 years. He laughed that the police would ever get involved over peoples views on someone on instagram. In fact Sali and her friends are the only ones that could potentially be in trouble as they took the effort to trace people not in the public eye and pass on details to others with criminal records to threaten and intimidate. There is a potential real case there if someone wanted to pursue Sali for that!

As for liable that is a civil matter and the things said here would have to be untrue (and they're not as there's evidence) and no judge would take them seriously as social media comments would be treated like slander at worst as it's peoples opinions. She would need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone posting lies here has cost her money. It has next to no chance of winning and would loose tens of thousands in legal fees. It's all idle threats from Sali. To even get anyone's identifies she would have to apply to the high court and none of the messages here are even remotely close to what a judge would consider bad enough to get the information. If people were threatening her that would be another matter, but this is all just idle chat.

I'm howling at how this has all backfired in her face!!

 

[Plywood]

I work with young people who genuinely have their lives ruined by bullies and “trolls”. I keep an eye out for examples of this to help teach them. I am utterly disgusted that this woman has over reacted to such an extent she has diminished the power of the language.
Yes, I’ve read the threads and noted her attitude to others. It’s shocking and harmful.
Sali Boo-Hoo-Hughes has done a lot of damage to genuine victims of bullying.
And that’s my two pence worth.