I agree.
It's the grown ups that should examine their behaviour. Especially when claiming to be left leaning and calling for diversity in the media and the arts. If you're giving someone a leg up, you're keeping someone else out.
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It's the grown ups that should examine their behaviour. Especially when claiming to be left leaning and calling for diversity in the media and the arts. If you're giving someone a leg up, you're keeping someone else out.
@Mselvista I couldn’t agree with you more. I would really like to know what LL, CM, SH et al are doing with their connections to help black creatives get a leg up in their chosen spheres ... are they actively championing and mentoring black writers, artists, brands etc? They are most certainly in a position to.
I’m not saying that Eaves Wilder hasn’t got talent and hasn’t worked hard, however the point is that in a significant proportion of industries there are many people in roles and positions that they’ve had help getting into due to their network and connections.
So in order to turn around the imbalance and lack of opportunity we all have to actively promote, support and not play by the old rules and systems that our society is built upon.
I’m not saying that Eaves Wilder hasn’t got talent and hasn’t worked hard, however the point is that in a significant proportion of industries there are many people in roles and positions that they’ve had help getting into due to their network and connections.
So in order to turn around the imbalance and lack of opportunity we all have to actively promote, support and not play by the old rules and systems that our society is built upon.
I have no problem with Eaves Wilder at all and have no opinion on her record - as @Mselvista says it's the adults who should be held to account.
@GTL Old-Timer posted an excellent blog a few threads ago by a black beauty writer who was in despair at the way a few white beauty writers, influencers and journalists held all the cards and had a sort of closed shop (she named Sali amongst others) which didn't allow other voices to be heard - not by what they were doing, but by what they weren't doing.
It seems the music industry too still has this mentality (I don't mean in the issue of race here) of jobs for the boys.
Oh and if Sali and her chums are reading I'll stick to the party line they expect - I don't think Sali actually needs glasses. Is she even Welsh? We're all mental here!
@GTL Old-Timer posted an excellent blog a few threads ago by a black beauty writer who was in despair at the way a few white beauty writers, influencers and journalists held all the cards and had a sort of closed shop (she named Sali amongst others) which didn't allow other voices to be heard - not by what they were doing, but by what they weren't doing.
It seems the music industry too still has this mentality (I don't mean in the issue of race here) of jobs for the boys.
Oh and if Sali and her chums are reading I'll stick to the party line they expect - I don't think Sali actually needs glasses. Is she even Welsh? We're all mental here!
I don’t believe that this artist taught herself to play piano via YouTube and has never had a music lesson in her life. Feels like another thing to make her seem more ‘normal’ like any normal kid from a deprived background should stop complaining and become a professional musician off their own bat.
I haven’t heard her song so have no opinion on it but this group of women only give a leg-up to their own. I’m sick of their fake working-class routes providing cover for them to do whatever they like.
I haven’t heard her song so have no opinion on it but this group of women only give a leg-up to their own. I’m sick of their fake working-class routes providing cover for them to do whatever they like.
Didn't she go to the Brit school? Or was that the other daughter?
I'm sure I haven't made that up but can't find anywhere that says so.
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Imagine any ordinary kid with no connections getting that sort of work experience!
"Fairy godmother" in all likelihood is her actual godmother...
This is so depressing, I feel sick to the stomach every time these children of the wealthy/famous pop up at the top of the heap in areas that regular working-class kids could only dream of. That Caitlin "I'm mad me" Moran continues to milk her working-class roots and pretend to speak on behalf of the working class makes it even more sickening. Could the kid be a prodigy? Sure. Is it likely? No
An A&R person could walk into any high school and grab 10 random kids who could then be made into a pop star (that autotune eh). But they're not gonna
An A&R person could walk into any high school and grab 10 random kids who could then be made into a pop star (that autotune eh). But they're not gonna
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Also, we’re supposed to believe a random 16 year old just happened to be able to email one of Blur’s producers her song? Pull the other one mate, it’s got bells on it!
They are labouring the "anonymous" line, thinking that it will later get them off the hook ("She did it all herself!" "No one knew who she was!" etc). But this only addresses the OBVIOUS aspect of nepotism, not all the advantages conferred behind the scenes: the industry contacts, the what I assume to be the fancy performing arts school (?), that the overwhelming majority of kids simply do not have access to. LL should be ashamed of herself. They are all such hypocrites
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Until SH puts on a growth spurt or gets a pair of varifocals (if she's there yet) I'm going to carry on talking about CM...
CM did an IG Live with Nadine Shah (apparently an old friend) a week or so ago. On her upper lip she has what looks like the sort of bruise I occasionally get from having dermal filler (or other cosmetic injection). She tells ND that it's a smudge of mascara she can't get off.
CM did an IG Live with Nadine Shah (apparently an old friend) a week or so ago. On her upper lip she has what looks like the sort of bruise I occasionally get from having dermal filler (or other cosmetic injection). She tells ND that it's a smudge of mascara she can't get off.
This exactly. The 'anonymity' is a figleaf so they can all pretend it is highly ethical. Lauren's arch 'she's a 16 year old from London' without mentioning she knows her extremely well and is an old family friend is just cringe worthy. I don't know if she should mention it but she put herself in that position so I think is open to criticism. It's just a continuation of this lot helping their friends/relatives using a position of power - Sali constantly plugging Hersheson's (I see them as friends of hers by this stage).
I had a look at my trusty copy of Pretty Honest
and all the glowing gushing soundbites on the cover were by Caitlin Moran, Lauren Laverne, India Knight and Marian Keyes. So wonderfully impartial and diverse then.
This should all probably go in the CM Thread....
I was tickled by this:
.... so in the past 4 (?) months she’s written 2 albums, got onto Radio 1, Radio 6, and had Blur’s producer work on her debut stuff. But has managed to garner all this “independently sourced” support while she has never played live?
I’ve never heard her, she may be brilliant, but YY to previous posts decrying the closed shop privileged girls club Bobbins
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And her “anonymity” won’t last long when the following comes up in the first 20 results of a google image search...
I was tickled by this:
.... so in the past 4 (?) months she’s written 2 albums, got onto Radio 1, Radio 6, and had Blur’s producer work on her debut stuff. But has managed to garner all this “independently sourced” support while she has never played live?
I’ve never heard her, she may be brilliant, but YY to previous posts decrying the closed shop privileged girls club Bobbins
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And her “anonymity” won’t last long when the following comes up in the first 20 results of a google image search...
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I raise my hand in shame as I too admit to buying 'Pretty Honest'. All I can say is that I must have been 'Pretty Gullible' at the timeI had a look at my trusty copy of Pretty Honest
Come to the Caitlin Moran thread with this deep research!
Caitlin Moran #did not stay at home.
She has needed a thread if only for the gurning. The Times and Caitlin (surprisingly) are staying tight lipped. Who’d have thought.
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It's shite. How can I delete it from kindle? I kept dipping in and out of it waiting to read something revelatory but nope....Jackie magazine special...If it wasn't on kindle it would have been straight to the charity shop.I raise my hand in shame as I too admit to buying 'Pretty Honest'. All I can say is that I must have been 'Pretty Gullible' at the time
It's strange that this seems to pass them by. Anyone who works in the corporate or charity sectors (as I do) will know that it is well understood that transparency - such as in relation to personal interests and connections - is crucial to maintaining customer/donor/public trust.
Her kids names are Eavie & Dora. Pete Paphides has always referred to them as such, but for some reason, for years, including in How To Be A Woman, she called them Lizzie & Nancy. I assume it was an attempt at some anonymity, but really, what’s the point when your husband is using their real names?
Sorry, it’s just always bothered me!
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