Ughhh did she says that?!! Cringe.
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I couldn't believe it when they did that!! I thought it was well-known in Britain that it had nothing to do with the fans or hooliganism, so for two educated women to make that mistake, was pretty bleeping shocking!
Sebastian Kalinowski murder trial as murder-accused mum gives evidence
Agnieska Kalinowska and her long-term partner Andrzej Latoszewski are standing trial accused of her son Sebastian's murder in August last year
Today in court took an interesting turn if anyone else is following the Sebastian Kalinowski murder trial.
The 'mother' has turned against her partner on the stand, blaming him... Oh dear. To me it looks like she's decided to blame him & say she was a victim too, go down the DV route as it'll possibly get her lesser charges etc. Regardless even if it was an abusive relationship she had a duty to protect her son and she failed. She's just as culpable imo.
Although innocent of his murder, Ricky Neave’s mum was incredibly neglectful and abusive 
that poor little boy
that poor little boy
Brother of girl, 14, 'murdered and served as kebabs' dies from heroin
Robert Downes, 30, the brother of a schoolgirl, 14, feared to have been murdered and cut up into a kebab meat in Blackpool has died from heroin overdose after never 'getting over' the case.
Very sad - I remember his sister's disappearance at the time early 2000s
Anyone follow the Marion Barter case from The Lady Vanishes podcast? There’s been an inquest recently but all the information is so convoluted I’m struggling to follow it all.
god both of those kids had such sad lives.Brother of girl, 14, 'murdered and served as kebabs' dies from heroin
Robert Downes, 30, the brother of a schoolgirl, 14, feared to have been murdered and cut up into a kebab meat in Blackpool has died from heroin overdose after never 'getting over' the case.www.dailymail.co.uk
Very sad - I remember his sister's disappearance at the time early 2000s
someone at the very start of this thread posted an amazing article about that case and how she was really failed by everyone around her. i’ll have to try and find it to link it again.
Dear god that poor girl.
Failed by literally everyone.
Failed by literally everyone.
It was me. I've transcribed it a couple of times on here as it's now paywalled. But it's important that people understand how disgusting her family are and not worthy of the sympathy they seek out at every given opportunity.
It's an article from Ths Times written in November 2013.
Too little cared for and too little mourned
"There goes Charlene Downes, ten years ago today, skipping towards the bright lights of Blackpool. Never to be seen again.
It was late autumn, the final night of the season. During the evening, the 14-year-old was spotted in a bar at the seaside resort’s North Pier. Someone bought her a vodka and Coke. She left with a young friend. They headed for a dark, waste-strewn passageway lined on each side by the rear entrances to several takeaway food premises.
This was “Paki Alley”, where chips and alcohol were in plentiful supply for children smart enough to know that one good turn deserved another. Arcades and kebab shops were a cheap escape from teenage boredom but on that particular night, November 1, 2003, a crime took place which meant that Charlene never came home.
A decade on and the unsolved murder has barely registered with the mainstream public. By contrast, Britain’s far-right parties have taken such an interest in the Downes case that banners demanding “Justice for Charlene” were raised on football terraces by sections of hardcore fans.
Their focus was triggered by a 2007 criminal trial at which it was alleged that the child was killed by a Jordanian kebab-shop owner who later disposed of her body with the help of his Iranian business partner. No remains were discovered.
Lacking concrete proof of murder, the prosecution was built on hearsay evidence from an unreliable witness and on a police officer’s transcription of low-quality recordings from bugs placed in the flat and car of one of the suspects. Its accuracy was repeatedly challenged by the defence.
On the eve of a scheduled 2008 retrial, after the first hearing led to a hung jury, the case collapsed. Both defendants were acquitted. The far-right’s conspiracy theory — dark-skinned men getting away with the rape and murder of a white girl — gained strength in 2011 when it emerged that an unpublished police report identified more than 60 girls who were groomed for sex by Asian workers at a cluster of takeaways.
Today, Charlene’s disappearance will be marked by a memorial service in the town, organised by the British National Party. Tomorrow, its supporters will stage a demonstration against “Muslim grooming gangs”. Leading the tributes will be her parents, Robert and Karen Downes. They are cherished icons of the nationalist movement. But they sit on a hollow throne.
The truth, hidden until now, is that so many men of all creeds and colours were suspected of sexual offences against Charlene that when she first went missing the police did not know which way to turn. One of the trails led directly inside the Downes family home. Confidential witness statements, social services records and internal police reports reveal that the child protection authorities first became concerned about Charlene’s home environment in 1989, the year she was born.
Then, the family were living in the West Midlands. Police and social services launched a joint investigation because a convicted rapist, jailed three times for buggery and indecent assaults on two young girls, was a regular visitor to the house and was allowed unsupervised access to a child.
Mr Downes, now 52, was “strongly advised” by social services not to allow the man inside his home but the visits were suspected to have continued. A witness told the authorities she saw the rapist “fondling [a child] in the house and that the parents were present”. They deny that any such incident happened.
In 1998, when Charlene was 9, she and another girl alleged that they were being sexually abused by a man “trusted by Mr and Mrs Downes to take them to school”. He was charged with rape but the case collapsed when the other girl failed to give evidence.
Charlene’s parents told The Times that the man seemed trustworthy because “he had a girlfriend”. They rejected a police officer’s report that they “had some knowledge of the abuse but failed to act”.
The family moved to Blackpool in 1999 after Walsall social services threatened to prosecute the parents for wilful neglect and to have the children taken into care. In the North West, a succession of men were introduced to the family after meeting Mr Downes in local pubs. Some stayed overnight or even longer.
They included a man in his 50s who described Charlene, then 13, as his girlfriend, and a 40-year-old who later admitted to police that he paid her to carry out a sex act. Three days after Charlene vanished, a 34-year-old man, staying with the Downes family while on bail, was jailed for crimes that included indecent assaults on three young girls. He admitted indecently touching the missing child.
An account of life inside the Downes home came from an environmental health officer, visiting one morning on council business, who walked into a downstairs room to find Charlene, then 12, lying on a bed in a “skimpy” nightgown. Lying alongside her was a man in his 60s. The girl jumped up and “started to scoop a number of pound coins off the bed”. The man, “shaken and trembling”, began “pulling his trouser zip up and fastening his belt”.
In a witness statement, the council employee described his shock at “the situation I had stumbled into”. He said Charlene was quick to tell him that “it’s OK — he’s my uncle”. Mr Downes then entered the room, apparently unconcerned, and explained that the man was “a family friend”. The incident was reported to social services but “it was decided not to pursue the matter further due to lack of evidence, lack of co-operation from the family and no complaint from Charlene”.
Her parents described it as a misunderstanding. Mrs Downes blamed the council worker for being too “nosey”. They said that the man on the bed with Charlene was “a lovely, nice old man” who had merely been adjusting his trousers. Mr Downes said he did not know, at the time, that any of the men he brought home had a sexual interest in children.
The couple did not comment on a hospital doctor’s report from June 2000, when Charlene was 11, warning of suspected sexual abuse, nor on the 13 visits she made to an NHS walk-in centre over a 12-month period in 2002-03, when she regularly sought help for sexual health problems.
Her mother insisted this week that her husband always sought to protect their daughter. She described the documents seen by this newspaper as “widely exaggerated and untrue”.
This is the mother of a child who apparently made regular visits, aged 11, to a Salvation Army soup kitchen and was seen dancing for men outside a pub, aged 12. Her parents explained that she enjoyed going “to church” and often danced to “music that she liked”. It was against this background that Charlene began swapping sexual favours, during the final months of her life, with Asian and Arab takeaway workers.
The Times understands that, three months before she vanished, she was one of two girls driven by Asian men from Blackpool to a lay-by in Blackburn. There, at midnight, she walked down an alley with one of the men, returning an hour later. Back in Blackpool, she was handed an envelope. Her friend asked what was inside and was told it was “what I got for what I did in Blackburn”.
Another Asian man is known to have taken her to Manchester in an old BMW less than a week before she disappeared. Neither incident was connected to the two men who stood trial over her murder.
It can also be revealed that a week before she went missing, a white man with the “motive and opportunity to murder Charlene” gave her £40. He met her again on her final night. A police report described him as a “compulsive, perverted paedophile” living in “a squalid flat knee-deep in pornographic material of all types including those featuring young children”.
Lancashire Constabulary today announces a new investigation, pledging “an open mind” about the murder. Its inquiry will not be short of suspects. Some are white; some are not.
Evidence shows that Charlene Downes was failed throughout her life. Until now, she has also been failed in death. The reports suggest that she was let down by her parents, by care professionals, by dozens of sex abusers, by her killers and by a police force that mismanaged a murder inquiry.
Today, the BNP distorts her story to sow seeds of divisive malevolence. Too little cared for, too little mourned. She deserves better."
Literally no words.
@Be More Pacific - thank you so much for transcribing that again! i knew i’d read it here - it’s just as awful as i remember
That’s absolutely horrific.
So its not dad ... 
www.dailymail.co.uk
British father 'cleared of raping his own daughter in Malia by DNA'
Philip Forsythe, 62, was arrested on the holiday island of Crete last month after Greek detectives investigating a rape claim by his daughter Tammi sensationally accused him of the crime.
from the description of the CCTV she was very much involved and encouraged Sebastian's torture. The other animal on the stand really turned my stomach lies after lies and blaming Seb for his behaviour and claiming it was "discipline". Amazing the same crap comes out of child abuser's mouth, victim blaming nonsenseSebastian Kalinowski murder trial as murder-accused mum gives evidence
Agnieska Kalinowska and her long-term partner Andrzej Latoszewski are standing trial accused of her son Sebastian's murder in August last yearwww.examinerlive.co.uk
Today in court took an interesting turn if anyone else is following the Sebastian Kalinowski murder trial.
The 'mother' has turned against her partner on the stand, blaming him... Oh dear. To me it looks like she's decided to blame him & say she was a victim too, go down the DV route as it'll possibly get her lesser charges etc. Regardless even if it was an abusive relationship she had a duty to protect her son and she failed. She's just as culpable imo.
i don’t know what to feel about this. i’m glad she knows but i maintain that cctv (and his behaviour in it) was grim.So its not dad ...
British father 'cleared of raping his own daughter in Malia by DNA'
Philip Forsythe, 62, was arrested on the holiday island of Crete last month after Greek detectives investigating a rape claim by his daughter Tammi sensationally accused him of the crime.
I’ve struggled with reading this case. That poor boy, those evil things need locked up forever.Sebastian Kalinowski murder trial as murder-accused mum gives evidence
Agnieska Kalinowska and her long-term partner Andrzej Latoszewski are standing trial accused of her son Sebastian's murder in August last year
Today in court took an interesting turn if anyone else is following the Sebastian Kalinowski murder trial.
The 'mother' has turned against her partner on the stand, blaming him... Oh dear. To me it looks like she's decided to blame him & say she was a victim too, go down the DV route as it'll possibly get her lesser charges etc. Regardless even if it was an abusive relationship she had a duty to protect her son and she failed. She's just as culpable imo.
Exactly. She was involved, she participated sometimes, but above all she allowed it to happen.... Now she's throwing it out there that it was all the partners fault cos it's easiest. Funny how cctv never captured him turning on her.
As for him, I've no words. Claiming it was only punishments, he didn't apparently realise the fear and pain he was causing, his claiming Sebastian was badly behaved and that's why he punished him, load of crap. Your right, it does follow a pattern, these people always end up bad mouthing the kids when tragically they aren't even here to defend themselves.
Wow I remember this vaguely but reading that just made me well up. Poor thing how can so many agencies let things like this pass them by? No words
Not to be morbid but does anybody know when the trial starts of the 4 children who died in the house fire just before Xmas? I’m intrigued at what actually happened feel like I have been thinking about it loads lately.
And that's why I keep posting it because people need to know the facts not just the narrative the family want to push.Wow I remember this vaguely but reading that just made me well up. Poor thing how can so many agencies let things like this pass them by? No words
Not to be morbid but does anybody know when the trial starts of the 4 children who died in the house fire just before Xmas? I’m intrigued at what actually happened feel like I have been thinking about it loads lately.
Do you mean this one? I can't see that anyone has been charged....?
London: Mum was 'shopping at Sainsbury's' as Sutton fire killed twins
Kyson, Bryson, Leyton, and Logan, were home alone in Sutton when the blaze ripped through the entire ground floor just before 7pm last night.
metro.co.uk
Yes, sorry I thought the mum had been charged?
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