Real Life Crime and Murder #3

[Cubalibra]

Another red handed episode listened to....(sorry I know I always go on about red handed but I listen to it a lot and each episode gets me obsessed )...Joseph Fritzel! It was over three episodes there was so much to get through. Just absolutely staggering what he put that poor girl and her children through What a sick individual he is

Ive just downloaded redhanded!

Someone out there knows something, perhaps a friend or family knows or at least has suspicions, but doesn’t want to go to the police. I wonder if he’s already been interviewed.

One suspect was arrested but later he committed suicide?

 

[Crumpet41]

I would add Jamie Dack, Gemma Hayter, Brent Martin, Stewart Hoskin and Lee Irving to that list just off the top of my head. All UK cases.

There are many others but all of the above, apart from Jamie Dack, had learning difficulties. Jamie Dack was definitely out of his depth in the very dog eat dog homeless community though so was considered vulnerable.

I lost sleep over Brent Martin. And Jamie Dack's case really affected me as well.


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Thoughts on last night's 24 Hours in Police Custody?

Can't believe I'm actually saying this but I felt a little bit sorry for Justice and not just 'cos he had to put up with Gary's jokes I mean, obviously, he deserved to go to prison absolutely but I think he had a break with reality in all honestly. Sounds like he had a tit life as well. But I will never understand why some girls think a convicted criminal and drug dealer, who smokes weed 24/7, is the guy you want to have two children with

Looking ahead to next week's, just from the description on my Sky+, I think it's the case of Ricardas Puisys. I wouldn't Google if you don't want to know the outcome but I think it will be a really interesting one if I'm right.

I saw this episode with Justice - i cant condone what happened but i felt sympathy for him as well. He is poles apart from that Paris Bostock who has fetaured on the BBC detectives programme and i beleive that he was genuinely remorseful for his actions. When the narrator announced the sentance it made me feel angry with the justice system. I beleive that his sentancing was excessive for the crime - it wasnt a murder and he also expressed remorse for his actions and pled guilty. Yet still got 28 years - then when i compare this to that hole Paris Bostock and his cronies sentancing - it wasnt worth the paper it was written on. He will out again by now terrorising the streets once again ( and same for most of the cronies who were convicted).

I thought I knew everything about this case and I remember it when it happened but the amount of CCTV in this that captured the before and after events + police interview is astonishing

I was gobsmacked when i learned that after he had murdered Grace - he had gone out on more dates and left her body at his place.

re - the delphi murders. A two part documentary popped up on YT the other week. Which i think is also produced by the same people as the podcast.

Part one :-


Part two :-

 

[BorisBear]

apparently (from a Crime Junkie podcast I heard on it) they are really hoping because he has a "distinctive" voice that will be a big clue for someone. I wonder how much this was publicised in the US as in the UK I only happened to have heard it on podcasts

Yeah I heard the crime junkie one, but this 8 part one down the hill is very good, lord of interviews with friends & family. I think the full recording must be horrific, police who’ve heard it sound like it’s really stayed with them, I think she recorded all of it x

 

[Be More Pacific]

Kayleigh Haywood's murderer Stephen Beadman dies in prison

Beadman, 34, was handed a life term for raping and killing the 15-year-old Measham schoolgirl

www.leicestermercury.co.uk

"Died in hospital...."

I wonder if this was a suicide (caught early and hospitalised but still achieved ultimately) or murder.

 

[LilPinkie]

Yeah I heard the crime junkie one, but this 8 part one down the hill is very good, lord of interviews with friends & family. I think the full recording must be horrific, police who’ve heard it sound like it’s really stayed with them, I think she recorded all of it x

Scene of the Crime first season also has the family heavily involved.

Kayleigh Haywood's murderer Stephen Beadman dies in prison

Beadman, 34, was handed a life term for raping and killing the 15-year-old Measham schoolgirl

www.leicestermercury.co.uk

"Died in hospital...."

I wonder if this was a suicide (caught early and hospitalised but still achieved ultimately) or murder.

Just doesn’t seem fair, does it? He should be rotting and suffering every day for what he did to her.

 

[Cubalibra]

Scene of the Crime first season also has the family heavily involved.


Just doesn’t seem fair, does it? He should be rotting and suffering every day for what he did to her.

It’s going to coroners so it may be a suspicious death? Or do all death that occur in prison goes to coroners? I read that her dad dropped her off after she had a whole bottle of wine, the poor girl was 15, what was she doing drinking that much (for a young girl)?

 

[Be More Pacific]

It’s going to coroners so it may be a suspicious death? Or do all death that occur in prison goes to coroners? I read that her dad dropped her off after she had a whole bottle of wine, the poor girl was 15, what was she doing drinking that much (for a young girl)?

Pretty sure it's all deaths that occur in custody. I'm following an inquest at the moment which relates to a prison suicide.

 

[Catsontoast]

There's a documentary on MTV UK next Wednesday at 10pm about the death of Kirsty Maxwell, the young Scottish woman who was on a hen do in Benidorm and somehow ended falling from the balcony of an apartment belonging to a group of men.

This is a case I have followed closely as the family have been badly let down by the Spanish police investigation and I definitely think the men in that apartment know more than they are letting on.

It is part of a series called True Life Crime UK, I've also downloaded the first episode about Jayden Parkinson, a teenager who went missing in Oxford. This is not a case I'm familiar with but I shall give it a watch.

 

[Its_Me]

There's a documentary on MTV UK next Wednesday at 10pm about the death of Kirsty Maxwell, the young Scottish woman who was on a hen do in Benidorm and somehow ended falling from the balcony of an apartment belonging to a group of men.

This is a case I have followed closely as the family have been badly let down by the Spanish police investigation and I definitely think the men in that apartment know more than they are letting on.

It is part of a series called True Life Crime UK, I've also downloaded the first episode about Jayden Parkinson, a teenager who went missing in Oxford. This is not a case I'm familiar with but I shall give it a watch.

Oh I’ve not heard of that story. MTV crime stories are quite good aren’t they.

That reminds of the girl who fell from the guys window in Brighton was it Amy?

 

[PrincessP]

Oh I’ve not heard of that story. MTV crime stories are quite good aren’t they.

That reminds of the girl who fell from the guys window in Brighton was it Amy?

MTV do crime docs now?! Never knew that!

And yes the story of Amy is another crazy one. She was the escort girl right?

 

[Be More Pacific]

There's a documentary on MTV UK next Wednesday at 10pm about the death of Kirsty Maxwell, the young Scottish woman who was on a hen do in Benidorm and somehow ended falling from the balcony of an apartment belonging to a group of men.

This is a case I have followed closely as the family have been badly let down by the Spanish police investigation and I definitely think the men in that apartment know more than they are letting on.

It is part of a series called True Life Crime UK, I've also downloaded the first episode about Jayden Parkinson, a teenager who went missing in Oxford. This is not a case I'm familiar with but I shall give it a watch.

Jayden Parkinson - I followed the trial. Her murderer was a real piece of work when he was giving evidence. I'm afraid I really don't like her mother though and I know she's going to be on it.

I saw it advertised but I didn't get the whole "feel" of the show. Far too trendy for an oldie like me so I'll be giving it a swerve.

 

[Its_Me]

MTV do crime docs now?! Never knew that!

And yes the story of Amy is another crazy one. She was the escort girl right?

I think she was a TV cam girl? I wasn’t convinced the guy didn’t have anything to do with it after I watched the documentary.

 

[Catsontoast]

Oh I’ve not heard of that story. MTV crime stories are quite good aren’t they.

That reminds of the girl who fell from the guys window in Brighton was it Amy?

MTV do crime docs now?! Never knew that!

And yes the story of Amy is another crazy one. She was the escort girl right?

I didn't know MTV did crime documentaries either until today! I only saw this because I follow Kirsty Maxwell's family's campaign and it was on the Facebook page.

Kirsty's is such a tragic case, she was a newlywed with a close-knit group of friends who all went to Benidorm for a hen weekend. They were quite a large group and were staying in different apartments within the same complex.
On the night they arrived the girls all went out for drinks then returned to their apartments and went to bed. Kirsty was sound asleep (I think one of her friends even filmed her snoring for a laugh) but apparently she got out of bed early the next morning, left her apartment and somehow wound up on the floor above hers, in an apartment occupied by a group of men. Next thing she had fallen from their room and died from her injuries.
It is thought she perhaps got the wrong room, either looking for her friends or trying to get back to her own (the layout of the apartment block was rather confusing by all accounts).
The men claimed she just burst into their room acting like a crazy woman and then climbed out of their window and jumped or fell.
Nothing much that they say adds up and the police investigation was diabolical (they even destroyed her clothes without testing them forensically).
Her family are understandably distraught and desperate for answers.

 

[sleepflowers]

Just listening to a podcast about Alice Gross - I remember the case but it's still horrible. The way the killer killed himself too so avoided justice. That poor girl suffering so much

 

[Catsontoast]

Jayden Parkinson - I followed the trial. Her murderer was a real piece of work when he was giving evidence. I'm afraid I really don't like her mother though and I know she's going to be on it.

I saw it advertised but I didn't get the whole "feel" of the show. Far too trendy for an oldie like me so I'll be giving it a swerve.

The case does ring a vague bell now I'm watching it. And yes, her mother is being featured on it.

I'm particularly interested in Kirsty's case though so will definitely watch next Wednesday's programme.

 

[Melian]

Just listening to a podcast about Alice Gross - I remember the case but it's still horrible. The way the killer killed himself too so avoided justice. That poor girl suffering so much

Peter Bleskley did a series called New Scotland Yard which was on Reality. The Alice Gross case was on there. I have no idea if its on their catchup service.

 

[Be More Pacific]

Peter Bleskley did a series called New Scotland Yard which was on Reality. The Alice Gross case was on there. I have no idea if its on their catchup service.

I can't watch him. The way he shouts and OVEREMPHASIS. EVERY. SINGLE. WORD.

Arrrghhhh!!

 

[TripleC's]

Interesting new evidence in the maya millete case

They have audio of what sounds like 6 gunshots at the time of their argument, if it is what it sounds like then why haven't the police found evidence, that house should be stripped completely, something has gone on and points to murder , the husband isn't looking for his wife and has lawyered up , the guy has to be guilty, a massive amount of these missing women cases where they disappear from home having taken nothing, end in the husband having killed them.

 

[TripleC's]

I didn't know MTV did crime documentaries either until today! I only saw this because I follow Kirsty Maxwell's family's campaign and it was on the Facebook page.

Kirsty's is such a tragic case, she was a newlywed with a close-knit group of friends who all went to Benidorm for a hen weekend. They were quite a large group and were staying in different apartments within the same complex.
On the night they arrived the girls all went out for drinks then returned to their apartments and went to bed. Kirsty was sound asleep (I think one of her friends even filmed her snoring for a laugh) but apparently she got out of bed early the next morning, left her apartment and somehow wound up on the floor above hers, in an apartment occupied by a group of men. Next thing she had fallen from their room and died from her injuries.
It is thought she perhaps got the wrong room, either looking for her friends or trying to get back to her own (the layout of the apartment block was rather confusing by all accounts).
The men claimed she just burst into their room acting like a crazy woman and then climbed out of their window and jumped or fell.
Nothing much that they say adds up and the police investigation was diabolical (they even destroyed her clothes without testing them forensically).
Her family are understandably distraught and desperate for answers.

Its conceivable that the explanation is the truth , her friends said she was very drunk , not sure why she would get up and leave her room and go upstairs, maybe in a half sleep half drunk state she was looking for some water and then went back in the lift on the wrong floor and wrong room , all those rooms do look the same , and I've been on holiday with lads , we don't always lock our door , so it could have happened that way , she went in , went to get into bed , became scared and forgot how high up she was and climbed over the balcony because she was shocked and scared some lads were in her room.
Its one explanation that having been on these holidays and been so drunk I've stayed in strangers hotel rooms because I couldn't remember my hotel, and was given taxi money when I found a card for the hotel in a pocket, odd things happen on holiday with mates

The only other explanation is somone is lying , either one of the guys found her wondering the hotel and took her back to his room and they took advantage of her and threw her over the balcony , but the odds of that are quite slim , not all of them would be that vile , there would be one of them at least that would have stopped it , not all friends are the same in groups. Again it could have happened that way but 3 years on possibly one of them would say something to someone and it would have been passed on to police.

Another unlikely view is she met one of the lads on the night and she went to met him in his room , they went out onto the balcony away from the others and she sat on the balcony and fell back, maybe her friends know but don't want to ruin her reputation if being newly married but having a holiday one night stand.

Its almost impossible to say why Spanish police would hide or destroy evidence, the only tiny reason I could give is I know full well the Spanish police have little time for drunk English tourists, maybe they found evidence that suggest the explanation of the lads taking advantage of her and throwing her over the balcony , and the police don't want it getting out and having a huge trial about drunk English tourists ruining the reputation of the hotel

I'm grasping at straws as it seems impossible to know the truth

 

[TripleC's]

I've seen further explanations that make it even more confusing.
This one is suggesting she got up and left the room for whatever reason and the door locked behind her , she couldn't get back in and couldn't get into any of her friends rooms all on the 9th floor , so she went up to the 10th floor in the hope to drop down onto the balcony of her room, her room was 9A , why is it then she went to room 10E.
The idea is she heard one of the lads who was arrested knocked on the door went inside went into the bathroom and tried to climb through the window , and when she couldn't get through she went out onto the balcony and dropped in the hope to get down to the next floor.

If this is the "official" theory then I'm baffled at the idea an intelligent woman, all be it still pissed would try and drop down to the floor below, they aren't balconys as such, all they are are railings across the windows that you open, giving the idea of a balcony , they don't stick out for anyone to drop onto,
also I dont believe she couldn't get back in her room, a few loud bangs on her door one of the party of 20 who were on the hen do that were all on that floor would surely open their door to see what the noise was, out of 4 or 5 in her room someone would hear her knocking or someone on her floor.

The truth will never be realised sadly , no evidence , and explanations that although unbelievable in any other situation could be slightly plausible on a hen do in benidorm, its a shame there is no other cctv other than the one showing her and a few others returning back.