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Notaninstamum
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I've never liked Barrymore. There was always something I couldn't put my finger on. But when this happened, my dislike deepened. He's never been co operative, he's very evasive & he left the scene of a crime for god's sake! He knows exactly what happened that night but didn't want to ruin his career.
He comes across as a man who only thinks of himself. Poor woe is me Michael. It was my house, my party, my poor career etc. He hasn't given a damn about poor Stuart's family. I felt so much for his father. I don't think he or any of his other guests will ever talk though. It's disgusting.
He comes across as a man who only thinks of himself. Poor woe is me Michael. It was my house, my party, my poor career etc. He hasn't given a damn about poor Stuart's family. I felt so much for his father. I don't think he or any of his other guests will ever talk though. It's disgusting.
Shewearsitwell
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What an awful thing to say, you obviously haven’t watched the documentary. His father is a broken man. His life has been ruined and the truth has never come out.
Watch it before you write throw away comments
I just got the impression he was a broken man wanting the truth.
Maybe because hanging out/partying with a gay man isn’t (and shouldn’t be) automatic shorthand for a hook up/sex? His brother said he would have been star struck and it was a mixed crowd so it’s perfectly plausible to think it was a normal party.Why woul
i was thinking th same,
1. why would a straight man go to an after party with a known gay man??
2.Also why would a straight man go on his own??
3. Why didn’t his brother go with him??
He met MB at the very end of the night (night club) when MB was leaving
gingrog
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I know this thread is regarding the documentary, but he's all over TikTok. It's like he's googled what mid to late teens are into and run with it. Wearing Stussy etc, making slime, playing Fortnite, doing fucking Sephora hauls?! He obviously has a social media manager, but I find it really disturbing. You've got all people in the comments pouring over what a shame it is he was cancelled .... because a 70 year old man is making slime on a table in McDonald's. It's not wholesome, it's targeted and fucking weird.
Pushyplumb
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If I had a house party with eight guests and one person died I would co-operate with the police fully from the start to assist so that the family of the victim found out what happened.
InkHeart
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We all have our theories and can't ever prove what happened that night, but these are my thoughts:
a. I remember Barrymore being on Big Brother and his crying in the diary room was harrowing, to the extent that I thought he looked like a man who knew he was a monster and could hardly live with it. Not just a man who has lost everything, like he claims, but a man who has seen things worse than the average person can imagine. I can't describe this properly, but he just looked a particular type of fucked-up that I've never seen anyone else look like. After all, most killers are psychopaths and find it easy to have no feelings about what they do. But Barrymore may well not be a clinical psychopath, but rather a horrible person who did something inhuman when he was on cocaine, in which case he knows how much of a monster he is.
b. Barrymore could easily have thrown everyone else under the bus if he wasn't complicit. He seems the type. "Oh no, officer, I went up to bed with a glass of milk and when I woke up this man I didn't know was floating in my pool." The fact that none of the people at the gathering have ever spoken out against each other, makes me think they all contributed to Stuart's rape and death. None of them can say what Barrymore did, because then he could say what they did.
c. I'm too young to remember him being Mr Saturday Night, but he seemed like such a prat. He's just wearing a suit and running around the stage, what's funny about that?
d. I completely hate it when famous men get applauded for coming out as gay, when they've had a wife for years. It's ruining her entire life, but the man gets praise for it. I could have cried for her when they showed her sitting in the audience. What an awful selfish person he must be. Probably selfish enough to not care about anyone's life who he ruined?
e. So yeah, this is where it gets upsetting, feel free to stop reading here... the fact that the pool thermometer and the doorknob went missing, suggest that they were used to inflict Stuart's injuries. The Channel 4 doc has an expert saying that the square top of the pool thermometer matches his wounds.
f. Barrymore was heard my the taxi driver saying, "I need a good fuck." This was clearly a case of Barrymore picking up a young man in a nightclub to take home for sex, probably a threesome since his boyfriend was there, and maybe he was planning group sex with all of them. They were on cocaine and whether or not Stuart began by consenting to sex, in the end it became a brutal gang rape, and they were assaulting him with any object they could find. Maybe Barrymore and his friends thought they were the shit and felt entitled to pick up an "ordinary" guy and use him however they wanted. Maybe it was when the drink and cocaine started wearing off that they began to realise what they had done. Maybe they were stupid enough to think that if they threw Stuart in the water, it would look like he drowned.
Either way, I don't believe for a moment that Barrymore was not directly involved.
a. I remember Barrymore being on Big Brother and his crying in the diary room was harrowing, to the extent that I thought he looked like a man who knew he was a monster and could hardly live with it. Not just a man who has lost everything, like he claims, but a man who has seen things worse than the average person can imagine. I can't describe this properly, but he just looked a particular type of fucked-up that I've never seen anyone else look like. After all, most killers are psychopaths and find it easy to have no feelings about what they do. But Barrymore may well not be a clinical psychopath, but rather a horrible person who did something inhuman when he was on cocaine, in which case he knows how much of a monster he is.
b. Barrymore could easily have thrown everyone else under the bus if he wasn't complicit. He seems the type. "Oh no, officer, I went up to bed with a glass of milk and when I woke up this man I didn't know was floating in my pool." The fact that none of the people at the gathering have ever spoken out against each other, makes me think they all contributed to Stuart's rape and death. None of them can say what Barrymore did, because then he could say what they did.
c. I'm too young to remember him being Mr Saturday Night, but he seemed like such a prat. He's just wearing a suit and running around the stage, what's funny about that?
d. I completely hate it when famous men get applauded for coming out as gay, when they've had a wife for years. It's ruining her entire life, but the man gets praise for it. I could have cried for her when they showed her sitting in the audience. What an awful selfish person he must be. Probably selfish enough to not care about anyone's life who he ruined?
e. So yeah, this is where it gets upsetting, feel free to stop reading here... the fact that the pool thermometer and the doorknob went missing, suggest that they were used to inflict Stuart's injuries. The Channel 4 doc has an expert saying that the square top of the pool thermometer matches his wounds.
f. Barrymore was heard my the taxi driver saying, "I need a good fuck." This was clearly a case of Barrymore picking up a young man in a nightclub to take home for sex, probably a threesome since his boyfriend was there, and maybe he was planning group sex with all of them. They were on cocaine and whether or not Stuart began by consenting to sex, in the end it became a brutal gang rape, and they were assaulting him with any object they could find. Maybe Barrymore and his friends thought they were the shit and felt entitled to pick up an "ordinary" guy and use him however they wanted. Maybe it was when the drink and cocaine started wearing off that they began to realise what they had done. Maybe they were stupid enough to think that if they threw Stuart in the water, it would look like he drowned.
Either way, I don't believe for a moment that Barrymore was not directly involved.
Just watched and I agree with the majority of what’s been said here.
I too didn’t realise Stuart was straight and I have read quite a bit about the case. Poor poor man. My heart goes out to his family - his dad and brother look broken. Someone said that his dad had been stitched in meeting MB and I agree - he’s clearly a simple, uncomplicated guy and would have been thoroughly overwhelmed when they met.
I think MB is an arrogant cunt. I never liked him even back when he was popular. I think everyone in the house was complicit so if one speaks they’ll implicate themselves. This coupled with Essex Police making a total pigs ear of the investigation (not securing the scene? accepting that the the ‘witnesses’ saying he’d drowned as the truth?! not questioning people at the party or taking blood samples or DNA?!!) coupled with the appalling way the press reported it means that Stuart’s family have had to go through hell and I don’t think they’ll ever get answers, mores the pity. All the people who were present that night deserve to rot IMO.
I too didn’t realise Stuart was straight and I have read quite a bit about the case. Poor poor man. My heart goes out to his family - his dad and brother look broken. Someone said that his dad had been stitched in meeting MB and I agree - he’s clearly a simple, uncomplicated guy and would have been thoroughly overwhelmed when they met.
I think MB is an arrogant cunt. I never liked him even back when he was popular. I think everyone in the house was complicit so if one speaks they’ll implicate themselves. This coupled with Essex Police making a total pigs ear of the investigation (not securing the scene? accepting that the the ‘witnesses’ saying he’d drowned as the truth?! not questioning people at the party or taking blood samples or DNA?!!) coupled with the appalling way the press reported it means that Stuart’s family have had to go through hell and I don’t think they’ll ever get answers, mores the pity. All the people who were present that night deserve to rot IMO.
Beverley Macker
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Wasn’t there only 8 people there? Not exactly a huge ‘party’. Also, most people don’t run away from the scene of a murder of a young guest, in your own home.
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Iamthebosun
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I genuinely don't know how they sleep at night. Maybe I'm a weirdo but tiny things I've done inadvertently to upset someone or an argument with someone (from years ago usually 
) stop me sleeping sometimes. If I had murdered someone, hurt someone, been complicit in someone's death or helped cover up someone's death I would have to be on some heavy duty meds to ever sleep again and not lay there remembering what happened, thinking about his family, picturing being caught...
) stop me sleeping sometimes. If I had murdered someone, hurt someone, been complicit in someone's death or helped cover up someone's death I would have to be on some heavy duty meds to ever sleep again and not lay there remembering what happened, thinking about his family, picturing being caught...
somebody knows something and he was brutally murdered.
Catsontoast
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If you can watch the documentary it offers a real
insight into what happened.
As a brief overview, Barrymore was a high profile Saturday night ITV personality, the Ant and Dec of the time. Personally, I never liked him and his shouty “awight!” routine and his “jokes” mocking his audience. Yet for some reason people loved him, particularly older ladies who he would talk down to and be generally misogynistic towards, though they were seemingly oblivious.
His whole persona as a family entertainer and loving husband to his wife, who was also his manager, fell apart when he came out as gay. Nothing wrong with that, however he humiliated his wife by choosing to announce this at a gay nightspot singing “Start spreading the news, I’m gay today”. Tabloid gold, particularly in the late 90s.
By all accounts his wife was treated terribly. Barrymore was a drug addicted alcoholic narcissist who, if you read his wife’s autobiography, was abusive and violent.
However the public stood by him, and Barrymore’s showbiz career continued. This was the exception rather than the rule at the time so it seems that it gave him something of a God complex … he was a hard drinking, drug taking, party animal, with several boyfriends, and as a local celebrity, when he visited a nightclub in Harlow, Essex, he was lauded and he loved the attention and special treatment he received.
On the night in question, Barrymore and his boyfriend, Jonathan Kenny, went to the club and after meeting a few young people, some were invited back to his home. These were brother and sister Justin and Kylie Merritt and two female friends of Kylie, and Stuart Lubbock. Later they were joined by two local lads who knew Barrymore-James Futers and Simon Shaw.
His house was large, but while it was described as a “mansion” in the press, it was a big bungalow and not so vast that someone being violently raped and murdered could have been unheard by others present.
Yet this is what Barrymore claims happened … well, he claims that Stuart drowned in his pool with no-one present having noticed, yet at post-mortem examination this young man was found to have sustained serious anal injuries, indicating the use of a large implement. His anus was stretched to the size of an orange.
Pathologists believed that his injuries were unsurvivable and bruising to his face also suggested he had been strangled.
Yet Barrymore claimed he died from drowning. He was apparently found floating in the pool, however accounts of those present vary, with some claiming he was at the bottom of the pool when found. Even the person who dragged him from the water is unclear, as witness accounts contradict each other.
Barrymore also fled the scene immediately after the alarm was raised. His manager turned up and cleaned the scene and crucial implements such as a large pool thermometer and door handle that were in original police photographs were removed. These were items that could possibly have used on Stuart.
Barrymore immediately checked into rehab and there are reports of him receiving medical treatment for damage to his penis.
At the inquest into Stuart’s death, the coroner found the witnesses uncooperative, and since then Barrymore and others have been investigated and arrested more than once but have not been charged.
Barrymore has continually protested his innocence, though his recollection of the events of that night has continuously changed. He even tried blaming NHS staff for Stuart’s injuries. He has also repeatedly lamented the loss of his career, but shown little sympathy for Stuart and his family.
Blurp
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It wasn't just his father and brother, Stuart had two young daughters who were four and one when he died, having recently separated from their mother. They've had to grow up not knowing who killed him and seeing his name everywhere in relation to Barrymore. I wonder what they think of the old man and his dog on TikTok.
clueless
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I haven't seen the documentary but have read the latest, that he was brutally raped and murdered. I'm heartbroken for his family, and his poor dad, in a nursing home with all sorts of health issues. I really hope justice is done while he is still alive. At least it's back in the public eye again and people know now that this really happened to Stuart, which is something.
there was also a towel with blood on it, which was proven to be Stuart's blood.
Somebody in that crowd of low lives definitely knows what happened that night and it's disgusting. I'm worried that it's too late to find someone guilty because there would be no forensic evidence now, but I'm no legal expert, would a conviction after so long still be possible?
That was the thought at the time but it's since come to light through pathologist's reports that he had serious internal injuries - it appears he was raped with the pool thermometer, absolutely horrific. Barrymore packed a bag and left his house before the police even arrived on the night. A lot of things in the house were also moved, tampered with and/or hidden before the police got there, including the thermometer and a door handle, so maybe a door handle was used on him too
there was also a towel with blood on it, which was proven to be Stuart's blood. Somebody in that crowd of low lives definitely knows what happened that night and it's disgusting. I'm worried that it's too late to find someone guilty because there would be no forensic evidence now, but I'm no legal expert, would a conviction after so long still be possible?
Miss polar
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MB is a dick,- always has been. He treated his wife appallingly. He’s dead behind the eyes! I think he knows exactly what happened that night because he was part of it. I’m utterly convinced of this.
As for the police,- what a bunch of absolute incompetents.
As for the police,- what a bunch of absolute incompetents.
Catsontoast
Well-known member
*That should have said “none of these people were capable of harming Stuart”…but you catch my drift!
I just know that if I had invited a bunch of randoms to my home, drink and drugs being consumed into the early hours, and someone had died while I wasn’t present, then afterwards I was shown forensic evidence of their catastrophic injuries indicating a savage sexual assault and murder, I would accept that one of those strangers who I’d invited into my home, must have committed this heinous crime. And I would do everything humanly possible to uncover the truth and expose this savage rapist and murderer.
Yet more than 20 years on, Barrymore still defends those people previously unknown to him, still preferring to blame NHS staff and argue with the forensics.
He knows exactly what happened, otherwise he wouldn’t be so keen to say that it didn’t!