He was asked, how itās possible, that the dogs alarmed to blood- and death-odour, Gerryās reaction was a laughingly āAsk the dogsā.What is this about?
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instead of mocking maybe you should read the case files!What is this about?
I think they were giving an example of his cockiness.What is this about?
Iām so glad you escaped, because that is what you did!
I agree to a point about Kate, I think Gerry is very controlling BUT Kate has a temper, in her book she mentions kicking the leg off of a bed in the days after Maddie disappeared, plus the vengeance she had for Snr Amaral is concerning.
i'll tell you tattlers another thing. Itās a small world but I worked with alongside our doctors surgery for a while. The doctor I liked the best actually went to med school with Gerry. 'Wouldn't trust him as far as he could throw him' he said.
Gerry would have a fight in any empty room
Just mY opinion
Just mY opinion
im always fascinated by what people who know the Mccans personally have to say about them! What else did he say?Iām so glad you escaped, because that is what you did!
I agree to a point about Kate, I think Gerry is very controlling BUT Kate has a temper, in her book she mentions kicking the leg off of a bed in the days after Maddie disappeared, plus the vengeance she had for Snr Amaral is concerning.
i'll tell you tattlers another thing. Itās a small world but I worked with alongside our doctors surgery for a while. The doctor I liked the best actually went to med school with Gerry. 'Wouldn't trust him as far as he could throw him' he said.
Here and Ive seen it before in earlier interviews on news shows.
It makes me uncomfortable his demeanor
Now yes you can say...
- He has had enough of constant questioning
- is tired etc.
- Or angry at finger pointing
etc..
BUT Lets imagine he was all those things
SURELY the priority is to still keep being in the public eye
and searching for your kid
Young. Defenseless. Innocent child.
Tired, angry etc. You would want and need the media and public to help you
Because if your innocent or and you believe she is still missing
its your daughter
you would just be all about the search and garnering support and not caring what the public thinks
because your innocent...
She is missing.
Another YouTube video one to check out
A lady I know's mother had him as her consultant surgeon. She said he was awful, a cold, uncaring pig of a bloke who actually couldn't give a damn about the patients referred to him. Kinda says it all eh?Iām so glad you escaped, because that is what you did!
I agree to a point about Kate, I think Gerry is very controlling BUT Kate has a temper, in her book she mentions kicking the leg off of a bed in the days after Maddie disappeared, plus the vengeance she had for Snr Amaral is concerning.
i'll tell you tattlers another thing. Itās a small world but I worked with alongside our doctors surgery for a while. The doctor I liked the best actually went to med school with Gerry. 'Wouldn't trust him as far as he could throw him' he said.
I'm not mocking? I just asked a question...
Thanks for this! Explains a lot
Here and Ive seen it before in earlier interviews on news shows.
It makes me uncomfortable his demeanor
Now yes you can say...
- He has had enough of constant questioning
- is tired etc.
- Or angry at finger pointing
etc..
BUT Lets imagine he was all those things
SURELY the priority is to still keep being in the public eye
and searching for your kid
Young. Defenseless. Innocent child.
Tired, angry etc. You would want and need the media and public to help you
Because if your innocent or and you believe she is still missing
its your daughter
you would just be all about the search and garnering support and not caring what the public thinks
because your innocent...
She is missing.
Another YouTube video one to check out
I donāt think Kate kicking a leg of a bed during a time of intense emotional turmoil, is indicative of a temper. I think itās a uniquely stressful and traumatic time. Someone who is āangryā IMO is someone who is trigger easily on a regular basis.
as for Gerry? I get bad vibes from him too.
I have a large group of friends in the medical profession. Basically surgeons as a rule are known to be arrogant and awful. A āniceā surgeon is the outlier.
as for Gerry? I get bad vibes from him too.
I have a large group of friends in the medical profession. Basically surgeons as a rule are known to be arrogant and awful. A āniceā surgeon is the outlier.
to be fair to Gerry.. itās a stupid question to ask and reflects the deteriorating relationship they had with the media at the time. Iāve worked in law enforcement and dogs are used for intelligence purposes but Iāve never known it to be submitted as evidence.
And rightly so, because dogs are unreliable. They can signal because they are bored, or because they want a treat or attention. Spaniels get bored very quickly and can only be used for a certain amount of time before theyāll start giving incorrect signals, so if youāve got a dodgy handler, or a handler under intense scrutiny to provide results thenā¦ youāre at risk of getting duds.
Sometimes theyāll signal and itāll provide a line of enquiry aka intelligence. So in this instance, the dogs signalling in the car wouldāve been a line of enquiry to test the car for DNA, blood or other signs of a body being transported - but any of those things would be the evidence. Not the signal itself.
how was he supposed to explain why the dogs signaled? Like I mentioned, it couldāve been for any number of reasons. Heās not a dog handler or an expert in forensics.
it was a sassy response to a stupid question.
arguably the dogs shouldnāt have been used at all - the car shouldāve been tested as a point of procedure, so it really feels like it was done for optics rather than any other reason. Bad police work IMO.
The dogs were proven accurate though because there were blood traces found in each area they alerted to. The cadavar dog alerted to certain areas including Kate and Seanās clothes and she tried to play it down as being from a certain fish that releases cadaver, and that she wore those clothes to work. Thatās proof she knew there were traces of death on those items and therefore the dogs were right. Gerry said it to be cocky because he knew there was no come back to it and he was well protected.
just because a dog signals correctly in one area, doesnāt mean all signals are correct. As time goes on they are likely to be duds. Iāve worked directly with dogs. Sometimes they signal for no reason at all. In fact, they do so a lot of the time.
They can be a great resource, donāt get me wrong, but they arenāt good evidence, and Iāve never known them to be admissible as evidence in a court of law.
my understanding was that the Portuguese police thought they found blood samples but this was proven to be inconclusive in a lab.
in summary, itās best to ignore the dogs entirely unless collaborative evidence is found - which there wasnāt.
Iāve never heard anything about Kate and fish, but itās redundant either way. Expecting the McCanns to answer to these processes and procedures is setting them up for failure anyway and is trial by media. Hence why Gerry got pissy and short tempered. Regardless of whether you have an opinion on the parents being responsible for Maddys death, this still applies. Itās ridiculous to expect someone, suspect or not, to respond or answer to that type of police work.
The parents categorically ARE responsible for her death/disappearance. Wether they killed her or not, wether they were involved in whatever happened to her - the fact remains that THEY LEFT HER AND 2 OTHER INFANTS ALONE IN AN UNLOCKED APARTMENT. And for that they should have been strung up for.
If those two and their Me Time had not been so important they would still have three children.
They chose to leave the children ostensibly asleep in the apartment to pursue their Adults Only dinner engagement with their mates - nobody else - if they'd not left their three little ones alone then this would not have happenned. OK it might perhaps have been any of the other children from the group who were left supposedly asleep when abducted (with the McCanns being the unlucky ones that night whom the abductor selected), but it does not alter the FACT that you simply DO NOT go out and leave the kids alone in a strange place in an unlocked apartment!
I'm wondering how different it would have been if it had been Tracy & Gary from some sink estate who went out on the razzle leaving their children alone in their apartment - how different would the reaction have been to them?
I remain resolute that I don't think these two paragons of parenthood killed the child but they sure as hell made it nice and easy for the abductor to walk in and snatch their daughter away leaving too many unanswered questions
That they most certainly ARE guilty of;
They chose to leave the children ostensibly asleep in the apartment to pursue their Adults Only dinner engagement with their mates - nobody else - if they'd not left their three little ones alone then this would not have happenned. OK it might perhaps have been any of the other children from the group who were left supposedly asleep when abducted (with the McCanns being the unlucky ones that night whom the abductor selected), but it does not alter the FACT that you simply DO NOT go out and leave the kids alone in a strange place in an unlocked apartment!
I'm wondering how different it would have been if it had been Tracy & Gary from some sink estate who went out on the razzle leaving their children alone in their apartment - how different would the reaction have been to them?
I remain resolute that I don't think these two paragons of parenthood killed the child but they sure as hell made it nice and easy for the abductor to walk in and snatch their daughter away leaving too many unanswered questions
That they most certainly ARE guilty of;Look up Kate McCann and the sea
bass story she spun. Sea bass is known to release small amount of cadavar and she told everyone this was why the clothes had the scent of death on them, along with checking dead bodies at work which her workplace publicly denied. Therefore she had recent contact with a dead body that wasnāt at work, or a tit load of sea bass to bathe in!
Also there was blood found, please check the police files. It wasnāt enough to arrest them as it had been destroyed by bleach but it was proof enough that it matched madeleines dna.
i know dogs can randomly alert and be wrong, but in this specific case they were accurate based on police facts, which I chose to believe over the mccanns story.
I always note if something is my opinion if I have nothing to back it up with, none of this is my opinion itās readily available information. If they were innocent they would have answered every question and supported the police in finding their daughter. Their arrogance and rudeness is no way for a grieving parent to behave towards the people trying to help them. I and many others would worship the people doing all they could do and finding leads, however difficult they were to hear. The mccanns were more interested in cancelling their food shop, playing tennis and suing the police over finding their child. If anyone thinks thatās ok then theyāre as sick as the pair of them.
bass story she spun. Sea bass is known to release small amount of cadavar and she told everyone this was why the clothes had the scent of death on them, along with checking dead bodies at work which her workplace publicly denied. Therefore she had recent contact with a dead body that wasnāt at work, or a tit load of sea bass to bathe in!
Also there was blood found, please check the police files. It wasnāt enough to arrest them as it had been destroyed by bleach but it was proof enough that it matched madeleines dna.
i know dogs can randomly alert and be wrong, but in this specific case they were accurate based on police facts, which I chose to believe over the mccanns story.
I always note if something is my opinion if I have nothing to back it up with, none of this is my opinion itās readily available information. If they were innocent they would have answered every question and supported the police in finding their daughter. Their arrogance and rudeness is no way for a grieving parent to behave towards the people trying to help them. I and many others would worship the people doing all they could do and finding leads, however difficult they were to hear. The mccanns were more interested in cancelling their food shop, playing tennis and suing the police over finding their child. If anyone thinks thatās ok then theyāre as sick as the pair of them.
From what was said at the time by a fellow holidaymaker the Tapas Nine also didnāt spend much time with the kids during the daytime!If those two and their Me Time had not been so important they would still have three children.
They chose to leave the children ostensibly asleep in the apartment to pursue their Adults Only dinner engagement with their mates - nobody else - if they'd not left their three little ones alone then this would not have happenned. OK it might perhaps have been any of the other children from the group who were left supposedly asleep when abducted (with the McCanns being the unlucky ones that night whom the abductor selected), but it does not alter the FACT that you simply DO NOT go out and leave the kids alone in a strange place in an unlocked apartment!
I'm wondering how different it would have been if it had been Tracy & Gary from some sink estate who went out on the razzle leaving their children alone in their apartment - how different would the reaction have been to them?
I remain resolute that I don't think these two paragons of parenthood killed the child but they sure as hell made it nice and easy for the abductor to walk in and snatch their daughter away leaving too many unanswered questions
They were too invested in playing tennis and going for walks on the beach alone while the kids were put in kids club at the resort!
What sort of a family holiday is that?
please do not read this if you find child sexual abuse triggering.
I once went to this talk thing hosted by Professor David Wilson. at the end of the talk, he asked for any questions, and someone asked him about Maddie.
He said that he couldn't say definitively what had happened, but he personally believed she was kidnapped and sexually abused, most likely by some trafficking group. he also said he believes she is no longer alive. he said that in his opinion (and I guess experience?) she would've been abused so much that she would've become "damanged" and therefore "unusable" so she would've been killed.
I honestly can't remember what he said about the parents, if anything.
obviously this is just his opinion, and it's a relatively common one at that, but I'm putting it out there.
lovely man by the way, would highly recommend his talks. they're very interesting
I once went to this talk thing hosted by Professor David Wilson. at the end of the talk, he asked for any questions, and someone asked him about Maddie.
He said that he couldn't say definitively what had happened, but he personally believed she was kidnapped and sexually abused, most likely by some trafficking group. he also said he believes she is no longer alive. he said that in his opinion (and I guess experience?) she would've been abused so much that she would've become "damanged" and therefore "unusable" so she would've been killed.
I honestly can't remember what he said about the parents, if anything.
obviously this is just his opinion, and it's a relatively common one at that, but I'm putting it out there.
lovely man by the way, would highly recommend his talks. they're very interesting
I know people under stress do strange things but I canāt square away Kate leaving the twins in the apartment after she realised Madeleine was missing. Would you not stay there and shout for help until someone came to you? Itās even an bigger risk to leave the twins given her train of thought was supposedly abductors (ātheyāve taken herā) as opposed to your first reaction being that that sheād wandered off.
I can't get on board with this. Unless it turns out the parents were involved in Maddie's death/disappearance (which I don't think they were) then they are not responsible for it. The fact they left the children alone is an example of bad parenting, shite parenting in fact but it does not make them responsible for murder. I get the impression that sometimes people are so keen to punish the parents for this that they don't actually care about the real culprit whoever that turns out to be. To suggest the parents should be executed for what they did (and consequently making the other two children orphans) is just ridiculous.
If Maddie was abducted from the room then it could have just as easily happened if the parents were there too. Presumably they had a separate bedroom to the children so they wouldn't have even been in sight had they been in the apartment anyway?
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