To my mind, the fact that so few people are really aware of this case is because they’ve gone out of their way to minimise its presence in the news, it’s all been carefully managed to ensure that nothing squanders the trial and nothing gives Letby ammunition for appeals. It’s very delicate due to all the elements involved, not least the scale of the crimes and the notoriety that will follow. It’ll be one of them where people like us who have followed it will quickly get sick of the aftermath. If she wants attention she’s gonna get it like no one else of her ilk before her.Took me ages get in this group … after I got banned from fb. I know everything about u lot. Lol. Xx I’ve been court and seen the witch in action. I’m free to go again tomor … I don’t know how to do a post yet tho … but if some1 tells me what to do I will do a write up when I get home. A friend of mine went yesterday … she says the judge did a blinder basically discrediting BM professional medical opinion
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am more than sure we will find this out (not understand it) just find it out when more things are revealed and folk start selling their stories on that evil piece of tit!!! X
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Can't have any now because my stupid Son is severely allergic to nuts/peanuts
I love liquorice sweeties
Crisps- space raiders or monster munch pickled onion
Don't know about Les Dennis but Amanda Holden is so plastic fantastic with her false laugh, I just want to her
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Can't have any now because my stupid Son is severely allergic to nuts/peanuts
I love liquorice sweeties
Crisps- space raiders or monster munch pickled onion
Don't know about Les Dennis but Amanda Holden is so plastic fantastic with her false laugh, I just want to her
It’s just bloody mind-boggling!What a bunch of tadgers
I’m on that group and I swear it takes so much effort to bite my tongue sometimes.
If I left my boss in a room with an alligator weighing roughly 12st, then came back in to find just a pair of Birkenstocks and alligator now weighing roughly 11st 10 more, and with an expression of deep contentment and empty BBQ Sauce bottle beside him, I ‘spose under that reasoning he just ascended directly to Paradise. Circumstantial evidence my a.
(there may be some aspect of subconscious wish fulfillment going on in this scenario…)
11:25am
Dr Andreas Marnerides said pneumonia was likely to be present at birth for Child D.
Professor Arthurs talked of a 'black line' in front of the spine indicating gas in the great vessels, which was "unusual" in children who had died without an explanation.
It was present in "two other children", one of whom was Child A.
There was "more air" in Child D than Child A.
One explanation was someone was injecting air into the child, and the radiograph images were consistent with, but not diagnostic of, externally administered air to Child D.
Dr Marnerides said the presence of air in such a vessel was "significant".
He said from a pathology point of view, air embolus could not be proved.
He said there was "no other natural disease" that could explain Child D's death.
He said in his opinion, Child D died with, not from, pneumonia.
He concluded the 'likely explanation' was air embolus.
Dr Dewi Evans said the 1.30am episode was "very surprising and unusual" as Child D had been responding to treatment and was "a stable baby".
He said Child D had symptoms of early onset pneumonia and had developed that before birth, but was making a recovery.
He said he could not think of any events which would end with unsuccessful resuscitation, and the cause was an air embolus.
Dr Bohin peer-reviewed Dr Evans' reports and conclusions.
She said the striking feature of all events was they were sudden and unexpected, and came with mottling of the skin.
She said it was a concern that Child D was crying in the second event.
She said although antibiotics were given late, there was nothing, clinically, to suggest Child D was going to collapse.
"This was not a picture of a baby with pneumonia severe enough" to collapse.
She was "clear" infection did not cause the "sudden" collapse.
There were episodes of discolouration which was consistent with the limited recorded events of air embolus.
She concluded air had been administered intravenously, causing an air embolus
Dr Andreas Marnerides said pneumonia was likely to be present at birth for Child D.
Professor Arthurs talked of a 'black line' in front of the spine indicating gas in the great vessels, which was "unusual" in children who had died without an explanation.
It was present in "two other children", one of whom was Child A.
There was "more air" in Child D than Child A.
One explanation was someone was injecting air into the child, and the radiograph images were consistent with, but not diagnostic of, externally administered air to Child D.
Dr Marnerides said the presence of air in such a vessel was "significant".
He said from a pathology point of view, air embolus could not be proved.
He said there was "no other natural disease" that could explain Child D's death.
He said in his opinion, Child D died with, not from, pneumonia.
He concluded the 'likely explanation' was air embolus.
Dr Dewi Evans said the 1.30am episode was "very surprising and unusual" as Child D had been responding to treatment and was "a stable baby".
He said Child D had symptoms of early onset pneumonia and had developed that before birth, but was making a recovery.
He said he could not think of any events which would end with unsuccessful resuscitation, and the cause was an air embolus.
Dr Bohin peer-reviewed Dr Evans' reports and conclusions.
She said the striking feature of all events was they were sudden and unexpected, and came with mottling of the skin.
She said it was a concern that Child D was crying in the second event.
She said although antibiotics were given late, there was nothing, clinically, to suggest Child D was going to collapse.
"This was not a picture of a baby with pneumonia severe enough" to collapse.
She was "clear" infection did not cause the "sudden" collapse.
There were episodes of discolouration which was consistent with the limited recorded events of air embolus.
She concluded air had been administered intravenously, causing an air embolus
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and congratulations on your baby news!! My favourite kind of news tbh 🩷There was a comment in her texts to Dr Noname when he was dribbling about Cockington - ‘Dad got offered a job in Torquay. Could’ve been a very different childhood’.Apropos of nothing, I was thinking of the ‘confession’ note where she said that nobody would ever know what happened and why.
At first it sounded like inane self-pity but having heard the duckaround of her cross-examination I wondered if it was more of a smug threat, or statement of intent. As if she was reassuring herself that she did it so well that nobody would ever find out.
Although I do wonder about the veiled references to her childhood.
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We used to swap all our crisps in the playground so everyone had one of each, and then jump up and down on the mix of abominations to make a sort of gourmet melange.
That’s had me wondering ever since. What was it about her childhood that made her think that way. We’ve established that, although she’s not from whatever the nicest part of Hereford is, she’s not exactly been brought up in a favela. So the cosmetic and cultural differences between the two places aren’t likely to be drastic (someone correct me if I’m wrong). So why did she sound wistful and a touch bitter about her childhood?
My speculation is that she was perhaps bullied but, if so, why? She doesn’t stand out physically in any way shape or form. I know there’s no excuse for bullying but did she do something to bring it on herself? Or am I way off the mark and there was some other trauma? These are the things we really need to know about. Nothing can ever excuse what she’s done but if we’re to look to the future and stop people committing atrocious crimes then the only way is to hone in on incidents that contribute to future warped thinking. I hope that makes sense.
Loool thick as duckSorry, how the f is that reasonable doubt?
If Lucifer kills and attempts to kill babies and no one is around to witness it, did it really happen?
11:28am
The judge says Lisa Walker, a band 4 nurse, talked about an event of being in room 3 - a special care unit - where Letby was feeding babies via a naso-gastric tube.
The alarm on the portable monitor was going off - the desaturation alarm.
Lisa Walker went over to help.
Letby stopped the feed and began stimulation for the baby, but was not getting a response.
She saw colleague Kate Bissell walking past, and shouted for help as the baby was not picking up.
A doctor working on a computer went over to help.
The baby was given gentle stimulation and picked up.
Lisa Walker said Letby asked her, "quite firmly", why she asked for help.
She said Letby was "quite cross" and the band 4 nurse didn't respond.
She said Letby's demeanour was that she would have been fine and didn't need any help.
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11:32am
Letby, in police interview, denied doing anything deliberately harmful to Child D.
She said she could not remember doing Facebook searches for the parents of Child D three days after Child D's death.
She said she could not recall why she said Child looked like having 'overwhelming sepsis' or that there was 'an element of fate' in babies.
In evidence, Letby said she "didn't really remember" the night shift.
She said she would have been caring for her designated babies and assisting colleagues with other babies.
She did not remember being called in to room 1 at 1.25am, Child D desaturating at 3am or Child D collapsing at 3.45am
The judge says Lisa Walker, a band 4 nurse, talked about an event of being in room 3 - a special care unit - where Letby was feeding babies via a naso-gastric tube.
The alarm on the portable monitor was going off - the desaturation alarm.
Lisa Walker went over to help.
Letby stopped the feed and began stimulation for the baby, but was not getting a response.
She saw colleague Kate Bissell walking past, and shouted for help as the baby was not picking up.
A doctor working on a computer went over to help.
The baby was given gentle stimulation and picked up.
Lisa Walker said Letby asked her, "quite firmly", why she asked for help.
She said Letby was "quite cross" and the band 4 nurse didn't respond.
She said Letby's demeanour was that she would have been fine and didn't need any help.
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11:32am
Letby, in police interview, denied doing anything deliberately harmful to Child D.
She said she could not remember doing Facebook searches for the parents of Child D three days after Child D's death.
She said she could not recall why she said Child looked like having 'overwhelming sepsis' or that there was 'an element of fate' in babies.
In evidence, Letby said she "didn't really remember" the night shift.
She said she would have been caring for her designated babies and assisting colleagues with other babies.
She did not remember being called in to room 1 at 1.25am, Child D desaturating at 3am or Child D collapsing at 3.45am
Omg I hate that pic of her so much, she really does look like she’s on something and trying to be cute.
I was in Tesco the other day and my son asked for Freddos, but I had a flashback of her weird mug and couldn’t bring myself to buy them. I bet there’s been a real nose-dive in Freddos sales since that pic was released!
11:33am
The trial judge refers to the case of twin boys Child E and Child F, dealing with Child E first.
The trial judge refers to the case of twin boys Child E and Child F, dealing with Child E first.
Poor Lisa getting chastised for having concern about a baby. What a nobbly bobbly LL is.
Facebook 'luvsherkids' Troglodyte: it jus shows that she wuz relly capabull n dem other nurses had no rite 2 get involved. Lucy is the best nurse ever n they r jus jelous. baby wud have probs lived if they hadnt got involved. it's a cunspiraceh Hun x
I’m honestly disgusted by some fbookers almost wetting their pants at the self proclaimed prospect of a ‘hung jury’, or ‘appeals’.
Then there is this #Truthfuljusticefortheparents.
Of course these are the same people who almost require resuscitation after the trauma of have a
emoji on their post or comment.
I would just like to say to the bleeping lot of them.
Then there is this #Truthfuljusticefortheparents.
Of course these are the same people who almost require resuscitation after the trauma of have a
emoji on their post or comment.I would just like to say
to the bleeping lot of them.I’d have exploded and caused a major bleeping scene if I was Lisa. I’d have probably had to be restrained to be honest, 1. chastising a collegue for asking for help 2. The condescending way she did it.
Even if it was all under control why is she acting like Lisa Walker’s natural instinct to call for additional support is out of order it’s what you would do/want - surely she should be praising her not the opposite.
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I thought about the childhood remark she made to Dr NN, but then I thought is she saying this to manipulate and lie him, making out she had a bad childhood for him to feel sorry for her then she's got him in her clutches
11:39am
Both twins were born "in good condition", the jury is told. Child E died less than six days later.
The court had been told Child E was very premature.
A doctor agreed Child E was capable of dramatic changes in his condition.
The day after Child E was born, the mother went to cuddle Child E, as he was on CPAP.
On July 30, the boys were 'progressing really well', and due to a high blood glucose level, Child E was given a low dose of insulin.
The twins were 'doing well' and stable on August 1, with time out of his incubator.
On the day of August 3, a nurse said the mother was on the unit with long periods of skin-to-skin contact, and Child E could have 'as many cuddles' as he liked.
Child E was 'pink and well perfused' with regular circulatory system and a cautious feeding regime. "Everything remained well".
Intravenous caffeine was given as prescribed.
Both twins were born "in good condition", the jury is told. Child E died less than six days later.
The court had been told Child E was very premature.
A doctor agreed Child E was capable of dramatic changes in his condition.
The day after Child E was born, the mother went to cuddle Child E, as he was on CPAP.
On July 30, the boys were 'progressing really well', and due to a high blood glucose level, Child E was given a low dose of insulin.
The twins were 'doing well' and stable on August 1, with time out of his incubator.
On the day of August 3, a nurse said the mother was on the unit with long periods of skin-to-skin contact, and Child E could have 'as many cuddles' as he liked.
Child E was 'pink and well perfused' with regular circulatory system and a cautious feeding regime. "Everything remained well".
Intravenous caffeine was given as prescribed.
I said the same, and a little more besides, when I left two of the fb groups weeks ago...I couldn't stomach their rit for any longerI’m honestly disgusted by some fbookers almost wetting their pants at the self proclaimed prospect of a ‘hung jury’, or ‘appeals’.
Then there is this #Truthfuljusticefortheparents.
Of course these are the same people who almost require resuscitation after the trauma of have a
I would just like to say
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Such a ridiculous question...whether it was false alarm or genuine call for help....that's just not something any " normal nurse" would say
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I’m not normally this angry but Letby just brings out this side of me that makes me want to smash her and her jaw that has a separate post code into tiny fragments.
Bet Lisa was dumbstruck. Probably one of the few people (aside from the babies) to see the real Lucy Letby.
I know, how the duck has no one stood up to that murdering witch on that unit. I'd have got the bleeping sack and then waited for her outside to finish her off. That poor girl, jesus she must feel awful. I'm so angry
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