I'm a long time lurker after finding this thread ages ago - was going to go for coaching with Llewy and his cohorts, but after seeing all of these terrible things, I'm SO glad that I took the time to do some background checks and start looking with impartial opinion on all of this.
Controversial opinion, but I genuinely feel bad for Matt Hall and Alec Witts, I ultimately think they're good guys with good intensions but has been caught up in the manipulation and narcissism of the twins that it's indoctrinated them into believing this bullshit is okay. It's now tarnished them and I don't think any of the "inner circle" can see what damage it is going to do to them longterm, not even in the form of reputation - they will ultimately become very unhappy people that are constantly chasing the next material item or win to confirm their ego and sense of self because that is what they are being taught what "success" ultimately is.
After having firsthand experience with narcissists, I can attest to how easy it is to become brainwashed by them. They are one of the most dangerous people to ever interact with, and
narcissists like Llewllyn Davies and Rhys Davies are proof of that. I think it's also hard to extricate yourself once you have been shown the "proof" of their millionaire lifestyle, you go to the mansion, you ride in the cars, you see the gold collection etc, even when there is evidence to prove otherwise you won't see it. That paired with the constant overworking, bullying, and "you'll never be better than me but I can make you
almost as good" attitude is enough to completely crush people's spirits and make them dependant on you for success.
It's so obvious from the outside how Llewy is using his student's students to get money. You never see proof about his other *CEO* clients, but you see him gladly using Matt for leverage and poaching his "VIP" students into additional coaching that they supposedly need, ON TOP of already paying hundreds of ££s a month for coaching.
It's absolute madness and you can clearly see the MLM/pyramid figure take shape. Llewllyn Davies is firsthand trying to create his own MLM line and it's tragic.
It's awful because you can see where people are gaining benefit from Alec Witts and Matt Hall's coaching and are turning their lives around. There's no denying that coaching DOES work and is not always a clearcut scam (I know this personally) but the DANGEROUS side to these "coaches" is that they want to keep people paying for as long as possible no matter what. They create a dependancy which is incredibly damaging to the psyche and is centred on being money hungry. Llewy brags about his "long-term" clients like it's something to be proud of, not forgetting that 4+years is an INCREDIBLY long time and we should be seeing huge results in a much shorter timeframe, especially for that price. And I'm not just talking about an increase of self-indulgent posts on social media, either!
Their target demographic is people with no previous experience with personal development. They firstly tell you to not watch videos, podcasts, read books, etc etc. They say that it's a waste of time and it makes you think too much, and you should blindly follow first and then piece things together after. This is because anyone with previous experience in the personal development world can see that they are teaching the most basic and well known ideas and just putting them into different words . You can get access to all of the things they talk about for free, and usually the content is better with less bullshit and ego. For anyone interested, there are always webinars and conventions going on + youtube videos that'll give you SO MUCH VALUE and the exact same knowledge.
One of the fundamental aspects of personal development is the detachment from ego. Every single one of them, from Llewllyn, Rhys, Matt, Alec, Pritesh, etc, have a problem with ego. There's a fine line between confidence and ego, and they've all crossed it long ago. This then makes everything ingenuine, as you know they are ranking their success on the amount of money they earn, and not the amount of lives they have changed. They claim that they use the cars/watches/money for "advertising" purposes, that it'll draw people in and it's actually NOT about the money... yet they only ever self-advertise for their own coaching, even when praising their students' successes. It always comes back to them.
For anyone that's seeing this thread for the first time and thinks this is just a gossip forum with no basis in what anyone is claiming - trust me, I thought that too. I didn't want to believe that these people were lying because it meant that I actually wouldn't become a successful millionaire in a couple years if I just follow their easy steps and pay thousands I didn't have, because it would all come back to me in the end.
There are REAL, GENUINE coaches out there that are qualified and will help you if you want it, but
these guys are not the real deal.
Trust the red flags, trust when seeing the "caring, family man" Llewllyn Davies say that people "should die" because they disagree with him is his real nature. Trust that they have trained attack dogs and knuckle dusters because they are running dodgy
tit and they want to scare people. Trust that it WILL be a waste of money once you get out of that circle, but it will become INCREDBILY hard for you to do so the longer you stay in.
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Also, what an awful, spiteful, and nasty prick Rhys is. I have no words. Weren't these the same people, his wife and step daughter that he was so grateful for and telling them to fly free and prosper a week ago, how they have changed his life for good and he will never forget them??
No wonder they were so negative, having to be around that roid rage and fragile ego all the time! I'm surprised she lasted 4 years.
I can't believe you'd ever call your step child a
bleep. That is totally and utterly beyond me and absolutely disgusting.
They deserve all they get and I hope the terrible twins
get found out for the frauds they are very soon by the appropriate authorities. This MLM is very small currently so this thread has to stay on the front page to keep it in check!
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Huge post for my first post on here but it's been on my mind for months.
** I'd also like to add that I'd love to see Alec & Matt
duck Llewy off and do their own things. They have so much potential and it's being undermined and undervalued by working with such a fragile ego like Llewllyn. It's honestly so sad to sit back and watch as all their efforts get demeaned by their "mentor".
It's hard to deny the massive impact that Alec has had on his students life where she's lost so much weight, it's so inspirational and
good. Matt has turned people around from being drug addicts and from being in abusive relationship - like these guys are really valuable but I couldn't ever endorse them when any money given to them goes
straight back to Llewllyn. As long as these guys are working alongside this con artist, they aren't genuine.
They'd be able to go so much further without, in their words, that dead wood holding them back!