haven't gone to the others but can definitely vote for maxxi and Macro. I also often went to random small pop up exhibits around the cityHi @Jerry,
When in Rome, which seems like forever ago, I always visit MAXXI and MACRO. The Palazzo delle Esposizioni and the Chiostro del Bramante house contemporary exhibitions and the Fendi headquarters in the The Palazzo della Civiltà Italiana in the EUR district has a gallery space on the ground floor. Giustini Stagetti shows a collection of mid century Italian and contemporary design and is definitely worth checking out. Gagosian also has a gallery in Rome. There are actually quite a few smaller contemporary galleries in Rome but not sure how Covid has affected their existence.
In Milan please visit the Fondazione Prada and the Pirelli HangarBicocca. The Anselm Kiefer permanent exhibition at Pirelli is.
Close to Turin is the Castello di Rivoli.
And if I lived in Italy I would never miss the Venice Biennale. Apart from the international pavilions in the giardini and arsenale, lots of palazzi around Venice (not usually open to the public) are used as exhibition spaces. OMG it is just the best time! I really miss Italy.
I realise you didn't ask for this list but you just got me thinking about the good times and travel and I couldn't help myself!
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This latest "Restoring a Palazzo" video has less than 30K views. I know if only came out a day ago, but this is a huge drop from her previous ones.
unsurprising tbh. even more dull than the chicken coops restoration. the reading of that book just seemed like the film/ad clips in other videos. she really just has lost ideas
She’s been floundering for ideas and formats for some time. They change continuously and her chameleon approach has to be tiring; first a Princess, then an Italian housewife, then a renovator, then a Portofino playgirl, then back to the kitchen again, counting the cost of salt in a meal for two.
Even for an effort to add a little culture, which, I agree with @nostoneunturned, is likely a subversive paid ad for the owner of the theatre, she brings along Guido to be chief cost accountant and his response to the charm of the little theatre is how much a sprinkler system would cost to install.
He is also summoned to give an estimate of the seating capacity, likely prompted prior to the question and he has a already answer; 90.
I still don’t know if the owner lives there or not. She certainly does everything she can to align herself with people with money.
Doesn’t the “wedding” seem like months ago? Not a word since.
I read some reviews, they are gushing as usual. I find it hard to believe that they are responses from real people.
The reading of that book just seemed to go on forever zzzzzzzzz
Those gushing reviews are entirely bonkers. Forgive the vulgar analogy, but it seems as though K only has to pick her nose, and her followers think she's terrific. They are like sheep, uninformed, undiscerning, blindly praising her. I find it alarming that she laps it up and believes herself to be some kind of art expert when it is as clear as day that she isn't. Really, if she stepped beyond her own YouTube channel, she would not be deemed credible. Sadly, she only wants positive feedback. K. cannot take on board informed, constructive criticism, which would enable her to up her game.
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The number of people financially supporting her on Patreon just dropped below 800 (790)....
Beautifully written exegesis @PlinyinTorquay
I have just had time to watch this and found KyLie and the Purse to be out of their depth talking about the art, architecture and history of Palazzo Sergardi Biringucci
The dichotomy she poses between the warmth and humanity of classical art versus cold, utilitarian contemporary is a well worn (out) trope that is meaningless. K always also prides herself on being a Luddite meanwhile using every resource of technology to show off by filming herself and making money through her online endeavours with Patreon etc.I found she and Guido to be completely out of touch with what is happening in the art and theatre worlds in Italy. A couple of ignoramuses pontificating about subjects that they have no knowledge or experience of (love K’s “I have a background in theatre”).
There are thriving centres of contemporary art and young and established artists in Rome, Naples and Milan and smaller towns also often have strong artistic collectives. Living in the centro storico of Rome, I could attend a new play in a small theatre or a gallery opening every night (pre Covid).
And K and G are wrong ~ these smaller private and public theatres are not about making money but about experimenting with new ideas, giving young actors a place to hone their talents and creating lively places for directors, actors, costumiers and designers to meet and interact and form connections that may last their entire careers.
The beautiful little 18th century Teatro Valle in Rome was occupied for years by performance artists to stop it becoming privatised. We used to go out to dinner and then drop by to watch performers or shows at 2am in the morning. It was wonderful to sit there in a box on a warm summer night with friends and not know what you were going to see next. The performers were doing it out of love and passion not for financial gain. (If you want to know more, in depth, this is an erudite study of the Teatro Valle experiment, commissioned by the European Cultural Foundation: https://www.gold.ac.uk/media/docume...ccupation-of-Teatro-Valle-(PDF-download)-.pdf
Palazzo Sergardi looked big and empty and looks stripped of its original art and furnishings. The Ademollo frescoes are quite charming as interior decoration but they were not meant to be great art and this type of painting and subject can be found in countless palazzi across Italy. I didn’t find the palazzo had much atmosphere and the way K filmed it seems copied from the very amateur Italian Wedding Videographers shoot there - watch after the first few frames with the piano player and angles for filming the building
(you can see it here: https://www.italianweddingvideographers.com/palazzo-sergardi-biringucci-video/By the way, and going off topic (I have a lot to catch up on from you all) I loved Charlotte‘s Webb and C.S Lewis’ The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe. Would be interested to read Joan G Robinson’s book When Marnie was There as it seems to have made a profound impression on you @PlinyinTorquay. What a lovely gesture of your late husband to find you a special copy.Ah yes. I loved Charlotte's Web too and The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe was a favourite of mine. Denise, I don't know if you are from the UK or would know a children's book called 'when Marnie was there' by Joan G Robinson. A supernatural story of sorts about a lonely orphaned girl who spends a summer in the north Norfolk coast. I read it so many times, even into adulthood, until it fell apart. One of the sweetest and most thoughtful gifts my late husband gave me was a first edition of the book. He noticed the crumbling volume on my bookshelves, did some research, and came across a bookseller who specialised in books set in Norfolk and got me this copy - currently in storage in the UK. I was immensely touched at the thoughtfulness of this gesture.. Dental appointment fine and covered by my health insurance too!
What does she say about the art, Jerry. This is the area where I am likely to be most critical and most pissed off! I can't say I understand this comparison between the Polish soldier and her viewers?
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@Antonio briefly from me, as I am making acquisition recommendations following Paris, welcome back from your deadline purdah. I’m sure we’ve all missed your insightful remarks and beautiful prose.Beautifully written exegesis @PlinyinTorquay
I found she and Guido to be completely out of touch with what is happening in the art and theatre worlds in Italy. A couple of ignoramuses pontificating about subjects that they have no knowledge or experience of (love K’s “I have a background in theatre”).
There are thriving centres of contemporary art and young and established artists in Rome, Naples and Milan and smaller towns also often have strong artistic collectives. Living in the centro storico of Rome, I could attend a new play in a small theatre or a gallery opening every night (pre Covid).
And K and G are wrong ~ these smaller private and public theatres are not about making money but about experimenting with new ideas, giving young actors a place to hone their talents and creating lively places for directors, actors, costumiers and designers to meet and interact and form connections that may last their entire careers.
The beautiful little 18th century Teatro Valle in Rome was occupied for years by performance artists to stop it becoming privatised. We used to go out to dinner and then drop by to watch performers or shows at 2am in the morning. It was wonderful to sit there in a box on a warm summer night with friends and not know what you were going to see next. The performers were doing it out of love and passion not for financial gain. (If you want to know more, in depth, this is an erudite study of the Teatro Valle experiment, commissioned by the European Cultural Foundation: https://www.gold.ac.uk/media/docume...ccupation-of-Teatro-Valle-(PDF-download)-.pdf
Palazzo Sergardi looked big and empty and looks stripped of its original art and furnishings. The Ademollo frescoes are quite charming as interior decoration but they were not meant to be great art and this type of painting and subject can be found in countless palazzi across Italy. I didn’t find the palazzo had much atmosphere and the way K filmed it seems copied from the very amateur Italian Wedding Videographers shoot there - watch after the first few frames with the piano player and angles for filming the building
By the way, and going off topic (I have a lot to catch up on from you all) I loved Charlotte‘s Webb and C.S Lewis’ The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe. Would be interested to read Joan G Robinson’s book When Marnie was There as it seems to have made a profound impression on you @PlinyinTorquay. What a lovely gesture of your late husband to find you a special copy.
I am not sure that it is a book that would appeal to chaps, unless you are really a lady and Antonio is a pseudonym like Pliny is mine, but here is a description. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Marnie_Was_There_(novel). The north Norfolk Coast of England, especially around Burnham Overy Staithe beach is hauntingly beautiful imo.
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Most excellent update to punctuate our thread, rather like receiving a telegram from the trenches , stat specific FACTOIDS
My guess is it’s yet another insidious self congratulatory statement
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I have catholic tastes and I was interested because you liked it so much and that made it appealing @PlinyinTorquay. I also have a youg niece who is already a voracious reader@Antonio briefly from me, as I am making acquisition recommendations following Paris, welcome back from your deadline purdah. I’m sure we’ve all missed your insightful remarks and beautiful prose.
I am not sure that it is a book that would appeal to chaps, unless you are really a lady and Antonio is a pseudonym like Pliny is mine, but here is a description. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Marnie_Was_There_(novel). The north Norfolk Coast of England, especially around Burnham Overy Staithe beach is hauntingly beautiful imo.
I also thought it was a self aggrandising comment @nostoneunturned , K saying well “I have Guido now so I have entree to these ‘closed’ societies and you won’t”. Personally I think we are welcoming to foreigners and I have many friends from all parts of the globe...Most excellent update to punctuate our thread, rather like receiving a telegram from the trenches , stat specific FACTOIDS
My guess is it’s yet another insidious self congratulatory statement
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I hope I didn't come across as offensively sexist, Antonio. It is a lovely book and the Wiki link is a thorough and accurate assessment. Interestingly, there was a Japanese animated version by Studio Ghibli (2014) which is set in the Koshiro Wetlands, Hokkaido. Because it had been such a favourite story, I did make the effort to see it. I believe I liked it well enough but don't remember it too distinctly now.
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Vero, thanks for adding to the point I was trying to make @Anotonio, the description of the experiences you have regularly enjoyed ring so much more truth than the piffle fluff from Kfluff n fuzz. For the life of me I can not fathom what she even is attempting to prove by wading out into the the deep water in which she will surely drown or be devoured by smart art sharks. There was no need whatsoever for her to try to juxtapose…I’m baffled; as for the Purse
Guido, he really is an accessory at this point whether he is open or strung tightly. 
Yes I’ve meet some of the most open welcoming and lovely people all over Italy, I’ve also met more reserved and guarded Italians but it amounts to nothing the more effort a visitor makes. Wel at least that’s my experience. I don’t mean by being a try too hard either, even the snootiest of snoots can be warmed but it takes something KyLIE is unwilling or unable to do or be .
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I’m interested in your book; I’ve collected children’s books, written children’s books, printed and made children’s books, taken a course at art college in children’s book illustration. I also wrote children’s verse that I match up with photographs I take in Italy and turn them into postcards sent by regular mail.
Toronto also has a special library collection of 80,000 children’s books available.
Good evening,
It’s getting quiet on the thread. I have just returned from dinner at a Thai restaurant in downtown Doha with a lovely Bulgarian lady, a friend and the Head of Archives and manuscripts at Qatar National Library. We sat at the top of a high-rise hotel, contemplating the city below and talking about life. I told her about this group and how Kylie brought us together. She then wanted to see Kylie, so we sat and watched Pizza-Gate for fun. My associate was profoundly amused and picked up on the sexualisation of it all immediately and made rather a mischievous comment which I will not repeat here. She returns to Bulgaria at the weekend, but maybe I can show her the toilet brush episode when we reconvene for supper, though if the restrictions in Italy should improve, I hope to be in Venice by the time she returns. It was interesting to get her take on the Flavell videos. Without prompting, her response was similar to ours.
I am deeply grateful to Qatar National Library as it paid for open access to my rhino article, and I’m getting so many hits. I was beside myself with joy today as I was approached by a Dutch academic who has done a fantastic amount of work on the rhino, including a database of over 13,000 references to rhino publications published between 1500 to the present day. Mine will join it. He’s writing a book on the history of the rhinoceros in South Asia. Included is a chapter on Mughal emperors and the rhinoceros. He has written about a painting in our museum’s collection so is requesting image copyright and has sent me his chapter for comments.
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I hope you are having a lovely evening.
A domani tutti.
It’s getting quiet on the thread. I have just returned from dinner at a Thai restaurant in downtown Doha with a lovely Bulgarian lady, a friend and the Head of Archives and manuscripts at Qatar National Library. We sat at the top of a high-rise hotel, contemplating the city below and talking about life. I told her about this group and how Kylie brought us together. She then wanted to see Kylie, so we sat and watched Pizza-Gate for fun. My associate was profoundly amused and picked up on the sexualisation of it all immediately and made rather a mischievous comment which I will not repeat here. She returns to Bulgaria at the weekend, but maybe I can show her the toilet brush episode when we reconvene for supper, though if the restrictions in Italy should improve, I hope to be in Venice by the time she returns. It was interesting to get her take on the Flavell videos. Without prompting, her response was similar to ours.
I am deeply grateful to Qatar National Library as it paid for open access to my rhino article, and I’m getting so many hits. I was beside myself with joy today as I was approached by a Dutch academic who has done a fantastic amount of work on the rhino, including a database of over 13,000 references to rhino publications published between 1500 to the present day. Mine will join it. He’s writing a book on the history of the rhinoceros in South Asia. Included is a chapter on Mughal emperors and the rhinoceros. He has written about a painting in our museum’s collection so is requesting image copyright and has sent me his chapter for comments.
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I hope you are having a lovely evening.
A domani tutti.
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Was in Pisa yesterday.
If beauty in art is symmetry, decorative repetition and intricate detail, as KyLIE expounds in her simplistic explanation, here it is;
And if modern art is, by contrast, considered ugly because of its utilitarian material, discordant shapes and lack of symmetry, here is an example and I would contend, beautiful;
Even in classical architecture, there is asymmetry in the overall, not to mention that the tower is famous for its leaning !
What makes art compelling is its fusion of symmetry and asymmetry, the image a material makes as well as the qualities of the material itself, the harmony and discord, the detailed solidity against a moving background of swirling, powerful and overwhelming change;
If beauty in art is symmetry, decorative repetition and intricate detail, as KyLIE expounds in her simplistic explanation, here it is;
And if modern art is, by contrast, considered ugly because of its utilitarian material, discordant shapes and lack of symmetry, here is an example and I would contend, beautiful;
Even in classical architecture, there is asymmetry in the overall, not to mention that the tower is famous for its leaning !
What makes art compelling is its fusion of symmetry and asymmetry, the image a material makes as well as the qualities of the material itself, the harmony and discord, the detailed solidity against a moving background of swirling, powerful and overwhelming change;
Oh my word, I haven’t been to Pisa since 2014, Jerry. Thanks for sharing the photos. I love Francesco Algarotti’s tomb in the campo santo of the Duomo. Algarotti was a fascinating man and a great friend of GB Tiepolo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Algarotti
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Top left to bottom left: 1. Random canal in Venice; 2. View of Grand Canal from Vap. stop at Campo S. Samuele; 3. S. Marco; 4. Moving towards the Piazzetta - the elderly gentleman in the white suit reminded me of Dirk Bogarde in Death in Venice; 5. In a box at La Fenice; 6. For a production of La Traviata; 7. 8, & 9. Antonio Canova at Museo Correr (nb, on the bust the dots are nails put into plaster casts used to ensure distance and curvature to transfer onto the marble); 10. Grand Canal at night near S. Stae; 11. Vittore Belliniano, detail of Martrydom of St. Mark, Accademia, Venice.
Hello Jerry, I have seen K wearing a mask. Here she is approximately 3 mins 50 seconds in, near the main post office in Florence wearing one. The occasions are rare however. But maybe masks are incompatible with a cinematic life, unless attending a ball on the Grand Canal during Carnevale .
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