Kylie Flavell #4 Purloining the Patreon Purse

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Lovely to see the Duomo too. Did you climb up to the top? Something I've always wanted to do but have usually found myself in Firenze when it's too hot to do so.
I did some years ago and the dome is constructed as a double cuppola(same as St. Paul’s in London I believe) allowing visitors to pass in between the two shells. My most vivid memory of it was witnessing one poor traveller stuck because they were too wide for the opening, halfway up, and had to reverse out with some assistance !

While she plugged the passageway, we all had to go back down.
 
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Written in the Summer of 1914 just before WW1, a time when hopes were high and people knew not what was to come.
The Lark Ascending .

The avian habits I embody , I have been told are like that of an eagle 🦅 I tend to hover above things and intensely scrutinise , then move on . Personally I would say I my feathered friends tell me what to do , sometimes to rise early, sometimes to survey like an owl, yet again to scratch around looking for the essence of something. I do have a Spotify playlist devoted to birds.

 
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I did some years ago and the dome is constructed as a double cuppola(same as St. Paul’s in London I believe) allowing visitors to pass in between the two shells. My most vivid memory of it was witnessing one poor traveller stuck because they were too wide for the opening, halfway up, and had to reverse out with some assistance !

While she plugged the passageway, we all had to go back
oh dear! Poor lady, how very embarrassing for her. Those passageways can be very narrow though!
 
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Very, very different to the Roman fountains, @nostoneunturned, but have you seen the remarkable fountains at Versailles? I especially love Mansart’s fountain of the flight of the animals. 💕 They’re all amazing .🥰 If you’re a fountain-lover you need to see them! ;)
Not yet , i have not ever seen them no. I always stop and drink from the fountains in Italy, It’s a luxury, Australia is a very dry country compared and we certainly don’t have alps with glaciers just pumping water through the cities. So crystal clear water gushing around all over the place is like liquid gold.
Also I’m always walking so you know,
a girls gotta quench.

rox 30 seconds (like a soundbite only with words). As a curator, I often have to do this as the standard museum label for interpretation is around 80 words. Concision can be challenging. Do contributors to this thread prefer minimal labelling in museums?
I think it depends on the importance of the work itself and the context of the exhibit. Personally , when I know nothing about a painting or sculpture etc I’ll make the effort to read any information in the gallery available . As an artist I always want to know technical details, as a punter I want to know quirky facts as a student I want to know the significance or relevance…How are we going for a six line paragraph so far ?😅
 

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To those who have known and met Kylie in real life ... would you say she has a good sense of humour? My instinct is, possibly not, as she seems to take herself rather too seriously. Maybe the toilet brush vlog shows humour of sorts!
I don’t think she has the capacity to have a sense of humour; it requires both a wit and a humility, both of which I think she lacks. It also requires an ability to stand outside ones self and I don’t see any evidence she can do that either.
 
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The apartment in Venice looks interesting and Cannaregio is a fantastic spot to be located in the city.
I think the space is fantastic and I love the fact that it fronts straight onto a canal on the same level (tho' wouldn't want to be there in November in case of Aqua Alta). I am not so keen on the furniture and decoration though. I prefer to rent an apartment if I am staying longer than a week, some friends from University will be there providing we can all travel so we tend to have some dinner parties.

It is not far from the Madonna dell'Orto. Did you know that a Bellini was stolen from there in the '90s? Someone just took it off the wall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_and_Child_(Bellini,_Venice,_1475)#:~:text=Madonna and Child is a,75 cm by 50 cm.&text=This article about a fifteenth-century painting is a stub.

I attended a very interesting study day with an art crime specialist from the London Metropolitan Police and this incident was a case study. He was talking about career criminals etc which I hadn't thought about previously. Do people decide to be career criminals when they grow up? 🤣 Certainly, a criminal would have to know how to transport valuable art around the world without attracting suspicion. You couldn't just put a Bellini in your suitcase and hope to get through Marco Polo airport without detection.
 
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On the battlefront of getting ripped off, had a recent victory; we got back ALL of our €400 for the air conditioner service, plus the service call at no charge. The guy did try to get gas money for delivering it back, however !

Had one small setback in Firenze; at the cafe, asked the price of the yogurt pie, agreed to the €5, but neglected to ask the price of the very small bottled soft drink; so she charged €4 for that ! Oh well, Firenze is tourist mecca !
 
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You would have done well with anchovies, as they are a staple on my pizzas !
Well, I was considering expanding into the anchovy market, ever since Delia Smith did something interesting with anchovies and roasted red peppers. 🤣
 
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How wonderful, @Alessandro, to have attended a real ball in Venice and worn 18th-century costume. Sadly, I have never had such an experience. I so badly wanted to try 18th-century dress that I once did something dishonest. There's a beautiful costume shop, Atelier Pietro Longhi, near the Frari http://www.pietrolonghi.com/. And I pretended that I was attending a ball so that I could try on a costume. I felt guilty as it was labour-intensive for the shop assistants. Who laced me tightly into this corset so that I could hardly breathe. I now know why these 18th-century ladies had an attack of the vapours. They put me into an amazing brocade dress with a kind of frame around it so the dress stood out. Very decollete. Wonderful shoes and a grey powdered wig. It was just a fantastic experience. I wish I could do it more often. You must have had so much fun. Lucky you! 😊
Because of your work and specialisation in the 18th century @PlinyinTorquay I think it was important you tried that gown on so you could experience how your subjects in the paintings and drawings you study actually feel wearing the clothes of the epoch. I am sure you took away much more from being dressed in the costume than most others! It is extraordinary how wearing those clothes can transport you back to another century, especially in Venezia👑
 
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Because of your work and specialisation in the 18th century @PlinyinTorquay I think it was important you tried that gown on so you could experience how your subjects in the paintings and drawings you study actually feel wearing the clothes of the epoch. I am sure you took away much more from being dressed in the costume than most others! It is extraordinary how wearing those clothes can transport you back to another century, especially in Venezia👑
Yes, I'm inclined to agree, @Alessandro, it has in fact helped me get into the 'spirit of the age' as it were. The thing is, it's actually quite addictive and I would like to do it again. But I feel I would need a reason to do it. I didn't realise how labour-intensive it was for the assistants in the shop as they spent a considerable amount of time dressing me ... from the correct undergarments, like the 18-C side paniers with stiffeners &c. right through to the false beauty spots for the face and so forth. They completely dressed me and I felt fraudulent that I didn't see it through by ordering the costume as they deserved an order for the amount of time and effort they put into it, if that makes sense. It was utterly fantastic.

But the whole concept of masking, too, is psychologically fascinating. When you were masked, for example, did you feel that you could behave in a different way from how you would behave unmasked? (No need to answer of course ;). )

There's a wonderful quotation by Oscar Wilde that I am saving for an epigraph to my book on GD Tiepolo's Pulcinelli when I eventually get around to writing it:

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Below some 18C dresses (reproductions) from the Eblouissante Venise exhibition Grand Palais Paris 2018, and Venetian shoes, 16? Musee Correr.

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Lol ... spot on, @Jerry though thank you for the photograph of the marzipan fishes. :). I am not in the fish trade, but it is a very thinly-disguised cover as I've shared some articles and things so people could easily figure out my real name and identity if they wanted to. I am Sophie and my specialist area is eighteenth-century Venetian art. I am a museum professional though, not an academic. Curators' positions often require a doctorate these days however. One of my academic associates goes under the name of A_Bridge_of Sighs. In other fora I am Tiepolo1. and Cherry O'Neill (Chairman and CEO of Rottweiller Consumer Complaints 🤣 don't ask). I'd like to write a novel one day so I enjoy playing with characters, being a historian, I tend to deal in facts and sadly don't think I have the imagination to write a publishable novel and I'm not interested in self-publishing or vanity publishing.

Lovely to see the Duomo too. Did you climb up to the top? Something I've always wanted to do but have usually found myself in Firenze when it's too hot to do so.

To those who have known and met Kylie in real life ... would you say she has a good sense of humour? My instinct is, possibly not, as she seems to take herself rather too seriously. Maybe the toilet brush vlog shows humour of sorts!
Kylie defintiely has very little or no sense of humour @PlinyinTorquay and especially not about herself, a common trait of those with narcissistic traits, I imagine.

Aaaah yes my rakish character would definitely wear this during Carnevale @PlinyinTorquay and I have worn 18th century dress to balls in Venice and felt perfectly at home🙈

Thank-you to all who asked for me to come up with a new alliterative title, I will do my best😉

@emm for the new title if you think we need to include Patreon, what about:

Kylie Flavell: Plundering Patreons with Vapidly Vacuous Vlogs
@emm since we’ve reached the end of the thread again (surprising how quickly we get there every time, the discussions are always so interesting) could you start the new one?

I am happy to go with @Alessandro’s as it sums up what everyone has said here and gets in your reference to the patreons. Although we mentioned them in this thread, they are key to her videos and the inherent conflicts in her “work”.

“Kylie Flavell: Plundering Patreons with Vapidly Vacuous Vlogs”
 
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Kylie defintiely has very little or no sense of humour @PlinyinTorquay and especially not about herself, a common trait of those with narcissistic traits, I imagine.



@emm since we’ve reached the end of the thread again (surprising how quickly we get there every time, the discussions are always so interesting) could you start the new one?

I am happy to go with @Alessandro’s as it sums up what everyone has said here and gets in your reference to the patreons. Although we mentioned them in this thread, they are key to her videos and the inherent conflicts in her “work”.

“Kylie Flavell: Plundering Patreons with Vapidly Vacuous Vlogs”
yes will do!

New thread https://tattle.life/threads/kylie-flavell-5-plundering-patreons-with-vapidly-vacuous-vlogs.22246/
 
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