Jack Monroe #407 I lost hours yesterday learning about a Jack Monroe

[Tin Can Crook]

My local baker splits a loaf in 4 for some elderly ladies, which I find the sweetest thing ever.

Reckon Jack'll think that went well, and the old social media's gonna get fired up soon. What was it she was going to post to her website, I can't listen again as my ears won't let me.

About how she turns a kidney bean burger into a soup then into a goulache then into a chili. The whole thing made zero sense. Apparently you can just chain all your meals together forever.

 

[Beef Curtains]

Burger soup!! Heinz must be shitting themselves

 

[Vanelope]

I know Fraus have been told off for counting (their own) chairs, teeth and spoons but I'm hoping the new counting is deemed acceptable because it highlights her spending habits whilst declaring herself the poorest pixie ever?

Spoiler: Chairs

I’m still traumatised by the number of chairs I have in my house - monstrous

anyhoo - has she turned up yet? How many days until it’s permanently deleted, there should be a big countdown somewhere

 

[Captainmouse]

This woman is pointing out you can't just go into a shop and buy one portion of an ingredient which is part of what makes cooking for one hard.

Awkward...

Cooking for one, deja vu food, you have every meal at least twice.
me: cherry pie my favourite
day 4: cherry pie, again

 

[Valiofthedolls]

About how she turns a kidney bean burger into a soup then into a goulache then into a chili. The whole thing made zero sense. Apparently you can just chain all your meals together forever.

So basically Jack’s repulsive patronizing ‘meal solutions’ (I hesitate to call them recipes) are the food equivalent of the human centipede?

Shame on the BBC for still giving her a platform to spout this useless bollox too.

 

[Lumpyspaceprincess]

Is it weird I saw someone make a burger soup the other day?

 

[Captainmouse]

That's the coffee down the nose comment. Off to get a hanky.

And you’ve been here how long? never ever eat or drink whilst tattling, we cannot afford the loss of a ninny

 

[Doddery old dear]

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The Scots know a thing or three about making soup without any interference from an Essex gal/guy

 

[Irena]

Sorry to disrupt the flow of conversation, but I just wanted to add that imo Hopkins took herself down by refusing to donate and apologise for a clear case of mistaken identity and then not turning up in court. Even then the victory had many critical observations against JM’s Twitter behaviour from the judge. It really wasn’t the big deal she makes it out to be and in any case the award was most part legal costs, as we all know.

 

[Moxie_Mama]

I honestly don't know of many people doing service with a year sober. I remember being about six months sober and being asked to do the top table and someone saying it maybe wasn't the right time to.

There is no way she has done the steps with anything like the rigour required (I'm 15 years alcohol free and haven't done the steps, so they aren't exactly a hard core requirement), but Jack's thirst for chaos is contradictory to honest, grounded sobriety. If she *is* an alcoholic and *is* attempting abstainance, she's white knuckling her way into a massive relapse.

There is simply no way that Jack could say her behaviour is in keeping with someone whose primary purpose is sobriety.

All this being said, Jack clearly has an array of personality defects and perhaps alcohol plays a part in these. And AA sadly does attract some who thrive on drama - they rarely achieve sober longevity though.

I just don't think she could honestly say alcohol made her life unmanageable.

I agree. I'm 166 days sober from alcohol and am working through the steps with a sponsor. I'm hovering between steps 4-5, and am in no position at all to address further steps yet. They're set out in that order for a reason; as you have to do the work on yourself, building your confidence and mindset as you learn more about yourself and your actions. For many people, substance abuse is the symptom of a deeper, bigger, wider problem. Until you own your sh!t, make peace with yourself and unravel what is causing you to use, you can't progress through - particularly step 8. Making amends to people.

You can share, you can contribute, but as one speaker said in a meeting (I'm paraphrasing), 'When you're struggling, lean on people who've been there before you. Using their strength to help you paddle your canoe back to safety when you're heading towards a waterfall.'

Every share in a meeting is useful, even if only to remind you you are not on your own. If you've gone through tough times before, you can get through the next five minutes.

I also see a specialised DAA counsellor, (drugs and alcohol), a psychologist; and my partner and I are in counselling together. There is no way she's made any progress. The AA community works if you do.

As an aside, if you are struggling and need some support there's a 24/7 fully online meeting called 319.

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I've added the cat in because I could, it makes me laugh. Have had two absolutely naff days at work.

 

[overdueanadventure]

Is it weird I saw someone make a burger soup the other day?
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Yes. Too short. Yes.

 

[SlopAmbsase]

About how she turns a kidney bean burger into a soup then into a goulache then into a chili. The whole thing made zero sense. Apparently you can just chain all your meals together forever.

You’ve just made me visualise a human centipede, modelled out of grated spam and mince. Tbf, Jack’s conga line of burger matter prob tastes like it’s been passed though three bumholes.

 

[FlirtyThirty]

She's going to have to sign on, and if she thought IS and Tax Credits were bad, wait and see what fun she has with UC (self employment monthly, not annual, accounts... minimum income floor... proof of job searching efforts...)
Irritatingly, this will be HH all over again lucky lucky Jack.

Except this time no one will believe her or give two shits.

The most delicious thing about all this is that she brought it all on herself publishing that stupid pityme blog and she still hasn’t had the sense to delete it. You probably could have kept quietly grifting on Jack, but you thought it would get you more attention and cashos, and now it’s like the proverbial balloon, that one extra blow and KABOOM. You blew yourself up!

 

[upsidedown33]

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Oh there is a VERY interesting reply to this tweet

 

[Orphan_Black]

Her arrogance shows through so clearly, she offers zero help in reducing food costs and waste, yet just keeps repeating all her nonsense instead of going off and researching ideas and providing better info.

 

[Moxie_Mama]

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DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON SODDING BUNGALOWS WITH SODDING

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Bungalows in Australia? They're garden sheds, usually asbestos pre-fabs too. When I first moved here and said that one set of grandparents lived in a bungalow, (English definition), people were horrified.

 

[Valiofthedolls]

Oh there is a VERY interesting reply to this tweet

You can’t just leave it at that cliffhanger! What is this, an episode of 24?! Tell! Tell! Tell!

 

[WhyYouCry?]

Except this time no one will believe her or give two shits.

The most delicious thing about all this is that she brought it all on herself publishing that stupid pityme blog and she still hasn’t had the sense to delete it. You probably could have kept quietly grifting on Jack, but you thought it would get you more attention and cashos, and now it’s like the proverbial balloon, that one extra blow and KABOOM. You blew yourself up!

Yep, honestly without HH2 I’d have just carried on seeing her as a slightly annoying attention seeker on Twitter, and just carried on scrolling on past. HH2 made me thing ‘hang on a minute, this makes no sense’ and then I found myself here. She’s brought about her own downfall and I suspect she knows it. A grift too far.

 

[Moxie_Mama]

since when has she had an eating disorder?!

 

[BurgerLaBill]

Has there been an in-depth study of Alcoholism Recovery Jack?

I read about the local shop contradictory stories, but there's more than that.

BTW, my name is Benign Narcissist and I'm an alcoholic, and regularly attended meetings and events for a number of years.


I have never seen, or heard of, an AA group in the UK give out the "sobriety chips" marking the length of time sober (though I have seen it in other 'anonymous groups' - Cocaine Anonymous, for example).

She might have a home group that does do it, but why would she accept multiple chips to mark the same length of sober time?

Any South of England friends of Bill W able to confirm if sobriety chips are given out?

Standard advice to new arrivals at AA is attend 90 meetings in 90 days, and don't drink in between. Anonymity is discussed, and I'm pretty sure someone with a high profile is advised that using said profile to announce early recovery risks damaging AA reputation, and putting others off trying it, in the event of a relapse.

If Jack does have a sponsor (AA veteran to do the 12 Step programme with), then they will be aghast at her social media antics.

Jack announced to the world her alcoholism with a Guardian article a week into 'sobriety' - everyone is different, but I don't know any AA members who made membership public within the first few months rather than days, except one guy who announced it on his Facebook page when he acted like a drunken fool at a work event and tried to worm out of getting sacked.

Jack may well have gone to AA. She may believe she is addicted to alcohol. She might even be. I can't know. But what I do know is that her exposing the organisation to association with her, particularly so early on, would likely cause immense discomfort to those who do "service" (volunteer to host and run the meetings). This is read out at the start of every meeting:

A.A. PREAMBLE
A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics achieve sobriety.

Nobody would ever be asked to leave an AA meeting unless something really awful like violence resulted. But AA meetings will have people desperately in need of help arriving, and, if Jack does attend, find there is a social media personality with serious boundary issues there.

If Jack is in AA, she acted out of accordance with the spirit of anonymity the organisation has carefully cultivated over decades.

Many famous people have spoken of their membership - but usually after many years sobriety, and often significant service. Jack showed up and wrote a Guardian article about it.

It's all very weird and suspicious.

I'm in South East England and our AA meeting doesn't give out sobriety chips.