Jack Monroe #353 Jack Monroe campaigns for Jack Monroe not to be in poverty

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I’m baffled by what her VBI is meant to achieve too.

Isn’t the VB theory to do with longer-lasting goods and not tinned spaghetti hoops? I thought that was the whole point of the ‘boots’ part - if I have the money I can buy a good-quality pair of boots at £100 and they’ll last me 2 years, but if I don’t have that much all at once I’ll have to buy a cheap pair for £25 but they’ll only last me 3 months (so over the 2 years I’ll have spent £200 on boots).

So can someone explain to me how that is in any way related to scribbling the price of spaghetti hoops on a scrappy bit of notepaper?!
This makes me think about the two photos tweeted several months apart of the wall of pasta and oats and cereal jars in Jack's kitchen all at the same level eg untouched - possibly in favour of the Ocado deliveries. So more of a long-term decorative investment than for immediate consumption.
 
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Reminder that trolley.co.uk is actually at this moment providing real time price data and comparison on supermarket goods. It also has a price history for each item and allows you to set an alert for when the price of certain items drops. But they can never compete against a scribbly bit of paper with some cat hair on it.

What’s really sad is that Trolley needs funding to stay open. They had a crowd funder to help with costs but only hit 41% of their costs. And yet squigs are pissing their pants with excitement with the prospect of funding a fowever home for Jack because she deserves it so much. 🙄
 
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I’m baffled by what her VBI is meant to achieve too.
Attention for Jack.

There's actually a bit in one book about how Vimes won't lie, even a small lie, because if you tell a small lie, you'll tell a big lie. Which is ironic.

Alas, I'm not a forensic Frau or I would have reread every book with him in to find it. But I don't love you all enough. I'm sorry dear hearts x
 
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I’m baffled by what her VBI is meant to achieve too.

Isn’t the VB theory to do with longer-lasting goods and not tinned spaghetti hoops? I thought that was the whole point of the ‘boots’ part - if I have the money I can buy a good-quality pair of boots at £100 and they’ll last me 2 years, but if I don’t have that much all at once I’ll have to buy a cheap pair for £25 but they’ll only last me 3 months (so over the 2 years I’ll have spent £200 on boots).

So can someone explain to me how that is in any way related to scribbling the price of spaghetti hoops on a scrappy bit of notepaper?!
If the VBI was to be truly useful then it wouldn't look at prices but at shelf life and prep time. Healthy cooking of the type out-of-touch politicans often urge, ya know lentil curries and stuff like that, are definitely cheaper than ready meals gram for gram BUT require a large initial outlay to be palatable e.g. if you're going to make pulses your familiy's your main source of protein you need to buy spices, flavourings, herbs and other things to make them palatable especially to children, plus you may also need specialist kitchen equipment (I can't get over how many cheap recipes call for a food processor when I didn't have one when I was cash strapped and neither do most poor people. I didn't even have that much crockery and kitchen tools such as knives etc). If all you have to spend on your food shop is your benefits money you can't afford to make that initial outlay even though the spices and pulses would last longer and work out cheaper in the long run. But you can't make the initial investment so you have to buy ready prepared and processed food because it's cheap and you know your kids will eat it.

So a proper VBI would measure affordability of non-processed foods that are often held up as the 'answer' (pulses etc) and how long they would last compared with the initial outlay and cross reference that against what can actually be afforded on benefits. Palatability to kids, and the fact that poorer people are also time poor, would have to be taken into account. To paraphrase Jack, you can't spend hours bunging stuff in a curry when you work shifts.

There we go Jack, you're welcome.
 
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Haaallpppp. Do I dare watch it? Jack honestly singing When I Needed a Neighbour? That's so cringe and top level delusional?

Messiah Complex Jack is the most terrifying Jack.
I cringed myself inside out and am now typing with my kidneys.
 
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I think I need a reminder of what her Violently Bilious Info is going to ~*do*~exactly. I know the Sam Vimes/boots principal, that’s fine.

Is she proving that a tin of stewing steak (pre-rinse) is cheaper than getting stewing steak and all ingredients and making it yourself, oh and the tinned stuff is less nutritious? Because that would be the equivalent of the Vimes/boots thing, yes?
Yes! This is what has baffled me from the start - the Vimes thing should suggest that you'd have to eat more often if you're eating rubbish food. Is that what she's trying to get evidence for? I thought it was that cheap food has increased in price faster than more expensive food? I think what will happen is that something will get published by people who know what they're doing and JM will say she was never actually writing it but was doing stuff ~ quietly behind the scenes ~ and it was a huge success and everybody clapped and then we'll never mention it again. I'm exhausted not being JM. I can't imagine how she feels! X
 
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Absolutely criminal! 😫 I would have folded in on myself from the cringe if I was in the audience! Also operation once a month on her leg?!
I genuinely think that in her head she is like Mother Teresa or Martin Luther King. No cultural appropriation meant, but she just really sees herself as a hero who has changed the world! A complete fantasist.
‘Congratulations on your docotorate’
‘Which one?’

and the crying agoraphobic lady.


its like having Jimmy Swaggart in the room
 
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its like having Jimmy Swaggart in the room
One day, I will not get Jimmy Swaggart (Evangelist/crook) and Jack Swiggert (Apollo 13 astronaut) mixed up in my head and temporarily be very disappointed with Kevin Bacon.

But today is not that day.
 
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Not see this squig (both tweets same person) before, but it came up as some of the people I follow liked it. Quite a few questioning responses with some sympathy. And one person blaming it all on gender critical twitter. Squig has nearly 3k followers.
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Only way to get baby cucumber to sleep properly in his cot at the mo is a good chest snooze first. This has been very useful for overnight catch ups.

Hopefully off back to bad now until morning. Go well x
One of the responses to this thread makes excuses for Jack by saying “it’s classic ADHD behaviour”. Hold me back, Frauen, because my Twitter is under my real name and I’ll definitely get fired if I say what I want to to the stupid cow who said it.

Like many other ND posters to this thread, every day I have to work to try and unlearn/overcome some of the crippling beliefs I have about myself after so long undiagnosed. Convince myself I’m not lazy or useless or worse than everyone else. To see Jack’s bone idleness and entitlement ascribed to ADHD makes me rage.
 
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@skyehigh : "Even Nigella must be raising an eyebrow at this point"

Can you even say 'unfathomable' without raising an eyebrow?

(I know she has behaved abominably with regard to Jack Monroe, but I've loved her for so long I can't just cancel her, although I know other Canal folk are made of sterner stuff. I've noticed a lot of collectors' Nigella books - signed editions, first editions - turning up in Oxfam online over the past week, so if that's fellow fraus putting their disappointment to good use I salute you but I'm not there yet)
I also think this might be really painful for Nigella ~ hear me out ~ bearing in mind previous experience 😔 x
 
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I’ve had to sit out various threads since I became a Frau because it all got a bit too much and was too exasperating, and I’m softly gently chuckling to myself that I thought at the start of the week this would be the case again after ‘I wrote a thing’. What a time to be alive!!
 
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Oh Jack. Asleep all day. Oh no I'm embarrassed for her. Again 😂
I predicted 'meetings all day'. But asleep all day is as pitiful.
I do think she thinks that adds to her ‘lil’ old vulnerable me’ image. Having to rest because she is EXHAUSTED.
 
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I’m soooo bored of the narrative that anyone who is calling her out is a Tory/terf. No one takes an issue with the fact she earns money, it’s the fact that she earns money WHILST continuing the most manipulative emotional blackmail campaign I’ve ever seen and allows people in a much more precarious situation as herself to donate their money to her. Her argument that she doesn’t owe us anything and therefore shouldn’t have to prove her patreon earnings is such BS - the average person doesn’t have to reveal their salary, but the average person also doesn’t get people (daily it seems) offering them big chunks of money via PayPal whilst simultaneously claiming poverty so bad that she has sold her lightbulbs! I’ve lurked here for a long time, and used to be a big fan of what she stood for, but the lack of critical thinking from her fans is genuinely concerning at this point. I’m sure this post will get lost amongst all the others but I just wanted to have it on record that I think that jack co-opting of the struggles of both the trans and the autistic community as a way of deflection is incredibly stigmatising and insulting 🥴
Dearest Frau, nothing on here gets lost because we are FORENSIC! ❤
 
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The way the tone changes from her main to sock, I’m trying to work out what it is she does to dull her tone so much (and yet *still* fools no-one!)


I like how Twitter keeps a placemark for deleted tweets now. Shows something was said and doesn’t confuse people even further.
She channels her inner Borb x
 
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One of the responses to this thread makes excuses for Jack by saying “it’s classic ADHD behaviour”. Hold me back, Frauen, because my Twitter is under my real name and I’ll definitely get fired if I say what I want to to the stupid cow who said it.

Like many other ND posters to this thread, every day I have to work to try and unlearn/overcome some of the crippling beliefs I have about myself after so long undiagnosed. Convince myself I’m not lazy or useless or worse than everyone else. To see Jack’s bone idleness and entitlement ascribed to ADHD makes me rage.
So much love to you DG. My best friend has adhd. I sent this to her the other week. Describes many of her amazing qualities perfectly ❤
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Why did she write all her job applications out on her phone when everything else she does is painstakingly written by hand?

It’s amazing how the shit has really hit the fan and the list/proof of all the good she’s done and the people she has helped are being shown over and over again to show it’s all bs! Oh…..
 
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When everyone asked her about this at the time she said she did ask them and there was simply no money left in the pot. There were obvious tensions and maybe slight estrangement for a while, when her mum used to comment on anything on Facebook it seemed more that they had bailed her out before and were trying to make her stand on her own two feet. She used to get quite aggressive with her mum/delete her comments and that was when that women I referred to used to question everything. She did actually sell pretty much everything at that house sale but it was weird because actually she needed to only sell an accumulation of crap she had hoarded acquired from previous relationships/homes/moves such as the piano, guitars, a shed load of photography gear, records, some of the second hand furniture that one minute she loved and the next loathed..I really didn't see the need to sell EVERYTHING and suspect it was an exaggeration.
and 10 years later, it’s still going on. Still asking strangers rather than her support network (if it was true that is).
 
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Sort of OT but yesterday I read a blog post by one of a lovely couple who have a food business. Every year they post a blog detailing their finances for the previous year. They have a smallholding and run supper clubs, etc. They work incredibly hard for very little in return in terms of salary, but are doing so much good and creating gorgeous looking food and recipes and events. They have beautiful and helpful insta and Facebook pages.

They used to follow and like JM's insta but no longer do (as of a couple of years ago I believe, I could see their name as a "like" when I scrolled through her old insta posts but they no longer follow her and haven't liked posts in a long time).

I just found it an interesting contrast that there are people out there grafting in order to do what they love and earn a small income, and willing to be totally transparent about what that entails financially so as not to mislead people with an instagram version of life, and then you have JM grasping and begging for money with zero transparency and no output apart from horrific looking cookies/slop and thousands of angry rants and pile-ons on twitter.

Really makes u think.
 
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