Historical Royalty

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Okay, so I went ahead and created a thread, hope you like it enough so it doesn't die a painful death two pages in 😂

I propose we be general and talk any historical royal chat from any country!
There's loads of interesting stuff in the history books :coffee:
 
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I read something interesting about Jane Seymour (I can't remember where sadly). Supposed to be the great love of the horrible Henry V111s life. She died very shortly after giving birth to a son and Henry mourned her terribly. Anyway apparently the poor woman had a long and terrible labour in excrutiating agony. Once Edward was born she was not allowed to rest and recover with whatever medical help was available, but was forced to get up and get dressed (with corset 😢) to be on show holding their son so dignitaries could view him. An infection soon spread and she died, from what was a treatable condition.
No idea how accurate this is - but I thought it interesting as it is assumed she died 'in childbirth'.
 
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I read something interesting about Jane Seymour (I can't remember where sadly). Supposed to be the great love of the horrible Henry V111s life. She died very shortly after giving birth to a son and Henry mourned her terribly. Anyway apparently the poor woman had a long and terrible labour in excrutiating agony. Once Edward was born she was not allowed to rest and recover with whatever medical help was available, but was forced to get up and get dressed (with corset 😢) to be on show holding their son so dignitaries could view him. An infection soon spread and she died, from what was a treatable condition.
No idea how accurate this is - but I thought it interesting as it is assumed she died 'in childbirth'.
Jane’s death was tragic and she had a horrific time with childbirth. I think it was thought that it was either an infection from a retained placenta or pulmonary embolism that claimed her 😞
She also shared a great grandmother with Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard, 2 other wives.
 
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I read something interesting about Jane Seymour (I can't remember where sadly). Supposed to be the great love of the horrible Henry V111s life. She died very shortly after giving birth to a son and Henry mourned her terribly. Anyway apparently the poor woman had a long and terrible labour in excrutiating agony. Once Edward was born she was not allowed to rest and recover with whatever medical help was available, but was forced to get up and get dressed (with corset 😢) to be on show holding their son so dignitaries could view him. An infection soon spread and she died, from what was a treatable condition.
No idea how accurate this is - but I thought it interesting as it is assumed she died 'in childbirth'.
It been a great debate about how she died. Some said it was a c section but this is been disputed and I believe originally made up by a foe of Henry VIII. From researching a bit more, it looks like she suffered from anaemia, possible postpartum blood loss after a long labour, dehydration from diarrhoea, and extended bed rest and inactivity caused an embolism, and probably more than one - not enough to trigger instant death, but enough to put Jane gradually into cardio-respiratory failure, shock and death. Of course medical care wasn’t that advanced in those days so they reported what they knew at the time. Here is a great article which breaks down the myths and evidence: https://tudortimes.co.uk/guest-articles/why-did-jane-seymour-die-in-childbed
 
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Just dreadful what those women went through.
And poor young Catherine Howard once the grotesque Henry had his beady eye on her. So many books/films portrayed her as precocious and coquettish, but it seemed she was very young, very beautiful and quite naive. And did not want to marry him at all (but obviously had absolutely no choice).
 
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Just dreadful what those women went through.
And poor young Catherine Howard once the grotesque Henry had his beady eye on her. So many books/films portrayed her as precocious and coquettish, but it seemed she was very young, very beautiful and quite naive. And did not want to marry him at all (but obviously had absolutely no choice).
With the MeToo era I think it would be great for historians to go back and look at women like Catherine Howard and re examine the history. I think a lot of history, especially with women was recorded and initially researched by men so their views on the people (for instance making Howard out to be a flirt and precocious) I think have been clouded by the way they viewed women and others as a whole.
 
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Stories about the marriage of Victoria and Albert are always interesting - anyone got any good links?
 
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Just dreadful what those women went through.
And poor young Catherine Howard once the grotesque Henry had his beady eye on her. So many books/films portrayed her as precocious and coquettish, but it seemed she was very young, very beautiful and quite naive. And did not want to marry him at all (but obviously had absolutely no choice).
Catherine was so young and didn’t really stand a chance. I do believe that her ‘affair’ with Culpepper was grossly exaggerated. Poor girl still pledged her allegiance to Henry even when she was being executed. Catherine Parr, Henry’s final wife, later married Thomas Seymour after Henry’s death. Thomas Seymour was Jane’s brother and there was rumours of his involvement with a young Queen Elizabeth I whilst married to Catherine.
 
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With the MeToo era I think it would be great for historians to go back and look at women like Catherine Howard and re examine the history. I think a lot of history, especially with women was recorded and initially researched by men so their views on the people (for instance making Howard out to be a flirt and precocious) I think have been clouded by the way they viewed women and others as a whole.
Yes good point. I *think* things are getting a bit better from the viewpoint of looking at women in history. But it has been terrible for so long. When I was at school (years ago tbf) and looking at The Tudors, Henry's wives were basically caricatures:
Catherine - old, boring, pious.
Anne - pretty, manipulative (the *interesting* one)
Jane - saintly, a bit dull, had a boy.
Anne - ugly
Catherine - pretty and silly
Katherine - old. Basically his nursemaid.

That really was the gist of it whereas Henry's character was examined in depth.
(Off topic but it reminds me of a very good recent book 'Five Women' which looked at the victims of murderer Jack the Ripper - for so long just labelled prostitutes - as if that lessened the horror somehow).
 
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While indulging in some new age nonsense, I discovered a lot people believe Prince Harry is the reincarnation of the Henry VIII and Meghan is Anne Boleyn.

Harry and Meghan’s relationship does have a lot of intense karma, so I can see why people think that.
But Anne Boleyn hasn’t returned she can use Henry VIII to live the high life in Hollywood and be famous. She has better things to do.

 
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While indulging in some new age nonsense, I discovered a lot people believe Prince Harry is the reincarnation of the Henry VIII and Meghan is Anne Boleyn.

Harry and Meghan’s relationship does have a lot of intense karma, so I can see why people think that.
But Anne Boleyn hasn’t returned she can use Henry VIII to live the high life in Hollywood and be famous. She has better things to do.

I've seen this. I used to watch a clairvoyant on youtube who spoke to Diana, lord only knows why.
This was a big theory of hers.
 
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While indulging in some new age nonsense, I discovered a lot people believe Prince Harry is the reincarnation of the Henry VIII and Meghan is Anne Boleyn.

Harry and Meghan’s relationship does have a lot of intense karma, so I can see why people think that.
But Anne Boleyn hasn’t returned she can use Henry VIII to live the high life in Hollywood and be famous. She has better things to do.

Omg I love this!!! Anne Boleyn is my fave... Imo she was the one that started the new religion.. Cofe not fat old Henry 🤣
 
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While indulging in some new age nonsense, I discovered a lot people believe Prince Harry is the reincarnation of the Henry VIII and Meghan is Anne Boleyn.

Harry and Meghan’s relationship does have a lot of intense karma, so I can see why people think that.
But Anne Boleyn hasn’t returned she can use Henry VIII to live the high life in Hollywood and be famous. She has better things to do.

yes strange isn’t it,H and M got married on same date that Anne Boleyn was executed.👀
 
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Finally a thread to post all my incredibly useless information. Queen Elizabeth 1 conspiracy that she died as a child and was replaced with The Bisley boy. This was the reason she never married. 😂
 
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