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I got my views by being born with a DSD (I have CAIS) and therefore being really interested all my life (well 11+) in ideas about sex and gender. People like me look female at birth and are raised and socialised as female. Every experience in my life has been based on a female identity - my place in my family, my education, my roles in society, my medical care, my employment, my experience of disability, domestic violence, sexual assault and rape. My body doesnt look different to a woman's body. But I'm technically not a woman. So that's nearly 4 decades of thinking about things and researching things.
I have trans acquaintances and my kids have trans friends. I have intersex friends and relatives. I have gay friends. They can have their opinions and I can have mine and sometimes they're the same.
Thats eye-opening. Reading it, she has a strong case I think. But on the other hand - it’s Canada.Remember when they were always screaming that 'words are literal violence'? Yet had no problem with women receiving death threats and rape threats.
Have a read of this article which highlights the sort of harm that TRA's are causing.
I’m Being Investigated by the British Columbia College of Nurses Because I Believe Biological Sex Is Real
Sydney. London. Toronto.quillette.com
Follow the (US) money ...
The Billionaire Family Pushing Synthetic Sex Identities (SSI) - Tablet Magazine
ETA - this seems similar to the Sackler family opioid scandal
The Billionaire Family Pushing Synthetic Sex Identities (SSI) - Tablet Magazine
ETA - this seems similar to the Sackler family opioid scandal
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I dont think the majority of people on here are against anyone individually expressing themselves, as trans or whatever.
But what causes the confusion, is when some of these so called trans rights, are in direct opposition to old fashioned feminist womens rights! Or when these trans rights defy logic! (Like the changes in what words mean, eg girldick????? How can a dick be a female attribute? It isnt!)
Things like the right of women to an even playing field when competing in sports, and not having an unfair advantage to someone who is bigger and taller and stronger than them because they have been through male puberty!
Or things like women using the word woman to describe themselves, or things like women thinking that a woman is someone with xx chromones, breasts, a vagina and a higher voice than men.
Things like the trans movement doesnt seem to understand the role of male patriarchy, and how hard women have had to fight to be seen as equal to men, and to get some kind of basic equal rights? And how traditionally women have been seen as second class citizens, forced to take a back seat to men.
Which was kinda proved to still exist in the UK in the 21st century, when during lockdown, women were still expected to take on board 80% of the additional childcare committments, supervise homework etc, whilst still working from home. Why was it so imbalanced if men and women are equal?
So as a reaction to what is being said by some elements of the trans movement, some women and men are moving further away and taking a more determined stance. Hence the idea that no one born male can become female! Its a reaction to the way things have been going.
No, it's a biological fact that has been understood for millenia. We've always understood the difference between male and female.
I agree with the rest of your post though.
Interacting with trans 'lesbians' gave me these views. Straight men who claim to be lesbians are manipulative as duck. They shame lesbians for our sexuality. Saying no to dating them is "cis-sexism" and is contributing to their genocide. We should really evaluate our "preferences" and address our "biases" so we can eventually accept the "girl" dick. And when we continue to say No, they push us out of our communities. In online communities they routinely go after positions of power so they can create an echo chamber and when they do happen to encounter women who don't coddle them, they have a full on reality collapse.
These men aren't victims. They are manipulators.
These men aren't victims. They are manipulators.
That whole crew makes me feel physically sick, especially the Martine Rothblatt connection and the obsession with transhumanism and mind cloning.
This is the robot version of Martine’s wife:
I really hate robots that look like people as it is so this is just something else entirely and I can’t stand any of it, or the above mentioned for pumping money and influence into all this.
I Straight men who claim to be lesbians are manipulative as duck.
Comments like this give me a headache...........huge sympathy to any lesbians going through this kind of thing. But the language makes no sense to me at all. If you were born male, how can you be a lesbian?
There was a story recently about a woman who self identified as a man, and who I think had her breasts removed and started taking hormones, and who then was in a gay relationship with a straight man. !!!!!??????
To me this is fairly close to a straight relationship between a woman and a man, To define it as a gay same sex relationship is extremely difficult for me to comprehend. 50 or 60 years ago, this wouldnt have been an illegal or immoral relationship as defined by the law, and what the whole gay movement was started to change?
Relationships have always been complicated...and confusing....and these kind of things make them even worse.....and even more open to confusion!
I think some women/men have become more vehement about refusing to use some trans peoples, chosen pronouns, eg deliberately calling Lia Thomas, the swimmer, he, rather than going along with the accepted convention of calling Lia Thomas, she.
This kind of thing is deliberately antagonising the conversation, because it isnt being polite or kind, to individuals who may have major mental health issues and need a lot of help.....but........ I do understand why some people end up feeling like this, and deliberately saying this kind of thing.
Comments like this give me a headache...........huge sympathy to any lesbians going through this kind of thing. But the language makes no sense to me at all. If you were born male, how can you be a lesbian?
There was a story recently about a woman who self identified as a man, and who I think had her breasts removed and started taking hormones, and who then was in a gay relationship with a straight man. !!!!!??????
To me this is fairly close to a straight relationship between a woman and a man, To define it as a gay same sex relationship is extremely difficult for me to comprehend. 50 or 60 years ago, this wouldnt have been an illegal or immoral relationship as defined by the law, and what the whole gay movement was started to change?
Relationships have always been complicated...and confusing....and these kind of things make them even worse.....and even more open to confusion!
I think some women/men have become more vehement about refusing to use some trans peoples, chosen pronouns, eg deliberately calling Lia Thomas, the swimmer, he, rather than going along with the accepted convention of calling Lia Thomas, she.
This kind of thing is deliberately antagonising the conversation, because it isnt being polite or kind, to individuals who may have major mental health issues and need a lot of help.....but........ I do understand why some people end up feeling like this, and deliberately saying this kind of thing.
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I've heard that young lesbians are afraid to come out because they don't want this tit thrown at them. Breaks my heart. I've also heard gay people called genital fetishists and same sex attraction described as transphobic.
So when I hear trans idiot supporters say 'Just let them be who they want. They're not doing anybody any harm' I'm infuriated. Yes, they are. They are doing harm and it has to be called out. Women matter.
@KillarneyChick you wondered how we could possibly have these views. No, I did not grow up with trans people. I’m in my 40s and live in central Scotland. Are you really that surprised there were no trans people in the 80s here??
In all honesty I didn’t give trans people a second thought until Caitlin Jenner arrived, someone who lived as a man for 65 years, enjoying all the privilege that being a rich, successful white man brings. Fathering children, had a successful career behind him. Then in retirement he thinks, I think I’ll become a woman now. And is applauded and even given the title woman of the year at an awards show. What a f liberty, is what I and I’m sure most other women thought. An absolute insult to real women (if you disagree that’s fine, you’re entitled to disagree).
After that I didn’t give it much thought again. Until it got closer to home last year and there were some issues at my work that opened my eyes (I can’t go into details obviously). I stumbled upon this thread last year after feeling like I was going mad and it helped me feel less alone in my thoughts. Since then I’ve read books, listened to podcasts etc so know a lot more about trans issues than I did a year ago.
Not that any of us have to justify ourselves but we are mostly leftist in our politics, anti racist, all for gay rights etc. I’m also for trans rights (would like to know what rights they don’t have though, feel free to enlighten me). I just do not think trans women are women or that trans men are men. Up until fairly recently this wasn’t controversial. I have no hate in my heart for trans people nor do I deny their existence. I would just like women to be protected as the sex class that they are.
You’ve been given a lot of answers to your questions, I’d be interested in your thoughts on what’s been said.
In all honesty I didn’t give trans people a second thought until Caitlin Jenner arrived, someone who lived as a man for 65 years, enjoying all the privilege that being a rich, successful white man brings. Fathering children, had a successful career behind him. Then in retirement he thinks, I think I’ll become a woman now. And is applauded and even given the title woman of the year at an awards show. What a f liberty, is what I and I’m sure most other women thought. An absolute insult to real women (if you disagree that’s fine, you’re entitled to disagree).
After that I didn’t give it much thought again. Until it got closer to home last year and there were some issues at my work that opened my eyes (I can’t go into details obviously). I stumbled upon this thread last year after feeling like I was going mad and it helped me feel less alone in my thoughts. Since then I’ve read books, listened to podcasts etc so know a lot more about trans issues than I did a year ago.
Not that any of us have to justify ourselves but we are mostly leftist in our politics, anti racist, all for gay rights etc. I’m also for trans rights (would like to know what rights they don’t have though, feel free to enlighten me). I just do not think trans women are women or that trans men are men. Up until fairly recently this wasn’t controversial. I have no hate in my heart for trans people nor do I deny their existence. I would just like women to be protected as the sex class that they are.
You’ve been given a lot of answers to your questions, I’d be interested in your thoughts on what’s been said.
Lia Thomas is a man. He's a man who enjoyed walking around naked in the women's changing room. Not one of the women were allowed to challenge it, they were forced to accept it. Basically young women were subjected to this pervert because if they didn't accept it, they were out of the team. The man was allowed to abuse the women in this way because 'trans'.
Women are no longer able to state their sexual boundaries. Think about that.
We're not the ones antagonising the conversation. That would be the TRA's. We're simply stating facts and insisting that our sex based rights be upheld.
I'm not going to be kind. Being kind is what got women here. I'm sorry if they have mental health issues and I fully support them receiving help for those issues. But mental illness isn't solved by surgery and hormones.
I have mental health issues too. I don't expect the world to adapt to my delusions because I recognise that I have a mental illness. I'm not expecting the population to change definitions and words and LAWS to protect me.
We have to draw the line in the sand. Otherwise we'll lose everything we fought for. Trans Ideology is abusive and dangerous. We can't be kind about it. It's ruining lives.
Yes I am a brain surgeon
To address your other points - no one in this thread have ever said trans people should not exist, no one in the wider movements like woman's rights such as for woman Scotland have ever said this. I would challenge you to provide a single quote from a woman's right spokeperson/twitter person/organistation that backs this up. I know you will not as you will ignore any post that asks you a question just as you have done on numerous occasions.
Here are some of the things woman do want (woman - adult human female not those born a male)
- they don't want males like Lia Thomas getting naked in their changing rooms flashing their dick before ripping the arse out of female records because they are male
- they do not want to be incarcerated in a womans prison and have a self ID'd male with Karen White rape them
- they do not want to be in a hospital on a female only ward, be raped and then have the NHS trust lie and state there where no men so a rape could not have happened until CCTV unravels their lies
In essence they want places where they are safe...toilets, changing rooms, woman's refuges, rape crisis centres, hospital wards
They want their hard work to mean something when it comes to the likes of sport, business, academia.....they do not want to give this up to males
I have these views as I see the harm to woman but more importantly as a father of a teenage girl I see the absolute carnage this cult is causing on todays youth.
Lastly your aunt is a figment of your imagination as uncle google could easily have told you that close to 90% and rising of trans DO NOT go ahead with the physical side. Given that Ireland has a waiting list in excess of 5 years very few people have even went through the process
The reason why these people are so aggressive is because they know, deep down, that what they believe isn't true. They know it's a load of bollocks. They know they're conning themselves. They can't handle the cognitive dissonance. They lash out.
They remind me of the prissy little passive aggressive deists at a Richard Dawkins lecture. They hate him vehemently because they know he speaks the truth and it shatters their illusion - or delusion.
They remind me of the prissy little passive aggressive deists at a Richard Dawkins lecture. They hate him vehemently because they know he speaks the truth and it shatters their illusion - or delusion.
Absolutely spot on. It's why it goes 0 - 60, from, "is this man a woman just because he says so?" to "you want us dead, die terf" in three seconds flat.
They have no room for reasonable conversation and leap straight to attack and appeal to emotion because there's literally no other option that doesn't shatter their delusion.
We often see the terms and phrases 'genuine trans', 'I don't have a problem in anyone being trans' or 'it's not those sorts of trans people that I object to' but that's the problem - anyone pretending to be a woman is a threat. It opens the door, little by little to all the rest of it.
People wishing to identify as the opposite sex (once you remove the large number doing it for nefarious reasons) should receive mental health support then just accept they would rather be the opposite sex but can't be.
There's a hell of a lot of things I would like to be but I can't.
People wishing to identify as the opposite sex (once you remove the large number doing it for nefarious reasons) should receive mental health support then just accept they would rather be the opposite sex but can't be.
There's a hell of a lot of things I would like to be but I can't.
I really hate how pronouns are being used to obscure the facts regarding Ezra Miller. Calling both him and the girl "they/them" doesn't obscure the fact that this is a man who has been manipulating and grooming a much younger girl ever since she was 12 years old! And complaining about him being "misgendered" if anyone refers to him as male. I think it's especially insulting given that the girl in question is Native American. These are people with a centuries-long history of having their children taken from them (and it's still going on, the girl's father is a lawyer who specialises in such cases) but when Miller does it don't you dare acknowledge that he is a man!
Marilyn, of 80s gender-bending, friend of Boy George fame, is going full TERF and as a gay man who paved the way for these fuckwits, he's bang on.
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yes, this is a tragedy, in the weeks that millions of women in the US are now no longer able to get abortions, and in the UK to get one you need referrels from two doctors. Crazy to need psychiatric assessment to cut necessary parts of your body off. What a world we live in.Delurking to share this. Am I nuts or is this person nuts? Why in the name of duck would you NOT want doctors to ask questions before agreeing to cut your body parts off? Duty of care is more important than some bruised feelings, bloody hell.
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