Gender Discussion #27

[holliebollie]

article today re TIMs playing rugby with women. See how it’s been worded by an equality person?? ‘women who are trans playing against other women’?!? I’m not ‘another woman’ compared to a ‘woman who is trans’. I would be a woman playing against a man.

 

[Scotch Mist]

article today re TIMs playing rugby with women. See how it’s been worded by an equality person?? ‘women who are trans playing against other women’?!? I’m not ‘another woman’ compared to a ‘woman who is trans’. I would be a woman playing against a man.
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Rugby is a dangerous sport in the first place but now women can have their teeth knocked out and face serious injuries because they could be playing against a team of men
It's actually worse than competing in lane swimming.
It can only be a matter of time before a woman gets seriously injured

 

[bcfc999]

Some of you might remember me talking about a left-leaning page I'm on where someone complained about being challenged for using the term top surgery and said she'd been forced to out herself as gender fluid by people's polite enquiries as to whether she was using the wrong word
Anyway someone has made a post asking about trans women in sport, seems they're leaning a bit GC. Obviously the comments are full of people saying that of course trans people should be allowed to compete, that sport should be segregated by body size rather than gender/sex as that's fairer to all people, and that "if you don't think trans women should be allowed to play sport with cis women, do you really believe trans women are women?"
Well... I mean, no, I don't
ETA: can't remember the username of the other woman here who's on the page but I hope you're surviving the anti-terf rhetoric too

 

[Scotch Mist]

Some of you might remember me talking about a left-leaning page I'm on where someone complained about being challenged for using the term top surgery and said she'd been forced to out herself as gender fluid by people's polite enquiries as to whether she was using the wrong word
Anyway someone has made a post asking about trans women in sport, seems they're leaning a bit GC. Obviously the comments are full of people saying that of course trans people should be allowed to compete, that sport should be segregated by body size rather than gender/sex as that's fairer to all people, and that "if you don't think trans women should be allowed to play sport with cis women, do you really believe trans women are women?"
Well... I mean, no, I don't
ETA: can't remember the username of the other woman here who's on the page but I hope you're surviving the anti-terf rhetoric too

These deluded fuckwits haven't a clue. A man who is the same size as me will still have more strength and be able to beat me at any sport easily.

All I can say is that women supporting this nonsense will soon see themselves or their daughters losing to men on a regular basis.

It doesn't affect me so I no longer care about these idiots, let them all bloody lose. One day they might see the light and we can all laugh at them.

 

[Ruby’s mum]

These deluded fuckwits haven't a clue. A man who is the same size as me will still have more strength and be able to beat me at any sport easily.

All I can say is that women supporting this nonsense will soon see themselves or their daughters losing to men on a regular basis.

It doesn't affect me so I no longer care about these idiots, let them all bloody lose. One day they might see the light and we can all laugh at them.

I have two adult sons, I remember having a play fight with one of them aged around 13. He was similar in height and build to me at that age but even then I couldn’t believe how strong he was. I could never have held my own against him in a serious competition

 

[weeweegie]

Just watched a clip of Myleene Klass on the Jeremy vine show, discussing teaching gender ideology in primary schools. It gave me the rage. Myleene saying we should absolutely be teaching it as we need to let children know about all the different ways there are to be in the world. As a mother with a primary school aged kid I’m so against it, and I know it’s on the agenda for when he’s in the last year of primary school. I’m going to ask what is going to be taught and might keep him off that day and if I’m not happy with it I will be complaining as it’s an ideology that I do not subscribe to or believe in.

Myleene then asked Jeremy if he had his pronouns on his bio or email sig and he said no because it’s obvious I’m a ‘he’. She said (and this is what gets me), it’s not about you it’s about showing you’re inclusive to other people. Basically ‘it’s for show’. She was really pushy and obnoxious about it. I always thought she was an intelligent person but ffs Myleene, just…

 

[Falkor]

Any news on Allison Bailey’s tribunal result?

Likely to be at least two months for the panel to write their decision. We're still waiting on the Maya Forstater one, which was expected to be two months and is now nearly three.

 

[ElektraWintour]

Common sense winning
ETA oh it doesn’t show the results of the poll here, 91% for yes.

 

[Scotch Mist]

https://terfisaslur.com

This shows the true natures of these violent men. Absolutely vile

 

[nothanksbabes]

I have two adult sons, I remember having a play fight with one of them aged around 13. He was similar in height and build to me at that age but even then I couldn’t believe how strong he was. I could never have held my own against him in a serious competition

When I was a teenager a man shorter and significantly thinner than me attempted to assault me. He at one point had me pinned down - I was quickly disabused of any notion that small men can be overpowered by women. Simply not the case.

 

[Ruby’s mum]

https://terfisaslur.com

This shows the true natures of these violent men. Absolutely vile

More than anything else seeing such revolting posts as these convinces me that these are and always will be men. Women do not behave like this, at least sane ones do not. Graphic violent fantasies, most of which express sexual thoughts belong to perverted men who hate women..

 

[NeverEnough]

Ok how about this. Why not do away with gender categories in sports completely and just have everyone competing against everyone. It will solve both the trans problems and the equal pay problem.

Of course it will mean Dina Asher-Smith would not get out of the first round of the 100m sprint, Iga Swiatek will plummet down the rankings, and Katie Taylor v Devin Haney for the undisputed Lightweight boxing title would be …. Interesting.

But hey. Equality.

 

[Notworthy]

Ok how about this. Why not do away with gender categories in sports completely and just have everyone competing against everyone. It will solve both the trans problems and the equal pay problem.

Of course it will mean Dina Asher-Smith would not get out of the first round of the 100m sprint, Iga Swiatek will plummet down the rankings, and Katie Taylor v Devin Haney for the undisputed Lightweight boxing title would be …. Interesting.

But hey. Equality.

She wouldn't even make it into the 1st round, let alone out of it, in fact she'd struggle to make the 1st round of an U18 race that's how big the gap is

 

[GladiatorReady]

Well this is a new take

 

[SILKWORM]

Well this is a new take

This doesn't surprise me at all lol. The hoops they jump through to absolve themselves and their community from ANY responsibility.

 

[Scotch Mist]

Well this is a new take

Those idiots didn't like the fact that Kellie Jay was laughing at them in her last video after the Bristol meeting. She said that the awful behaviour of the 'black pampers' had just raised awareness of how toxic these people are.

 

[kittenattack]

My 60 year old, not particularly fit husband did a job in the garden that had been taking an hour for me to do. He did it in 5 mins and is ten years older than me. Men have far greater muscle mass, bigger heart and lungs and are bigger and heavier.

We're living in a post scientific clown world where physiological facts are optional and people can be butterflies if they so desire.

Bloody muppets. They'll get the wrong dose of drug in hospital if they don't come clean about what actual sex they are. Coming round from the anaesthetic during an op sounds fun doesn't it? Physiology matters.

 

[Ursaarctosarctos]

There’s very little I like about men as a sex class, but I have to say I admire their refusal to be pushed aside or redefined by all of this TRA nonsense. TiM aren’t large enough of a population to achieve what they’ve achieved in eroding the rights of women alone - they’ve had help, and a lot of it has come from women themselves.

It’s not our fault as women that we tend to be socialised as young girls to be the peacekeepers, never make a fuss and to always put others before ourselves, but a lot of women do need to take responsibility for the fact that we’ve let these people invade and pose a threat to us. TRAs would never even try to push men about like this because they wouldn’t succeed - part of that’s because of male privilege, another part of that is entirely the fault of women who’ve accepted this tit at any point (I’m included in that demographic, sadly).

I think to be fair to women we also grow up to fear men. I have, like so many women, had unwanted interactions with pushy men where despite my discomfort I was doing everything I can to keep them happy and avoid confrontation, because I was very aware that they could and possibly would hurt me. I don't know how much of this is my cultural background where I have been raised to be mistrusting and afraid of strangers, my own anxieties or how much it is innate fear of men though. But I can definitely see women going along with things that will hurt them out of fear.

 

[Apple In My Pie]

I just saw this post on Twitter; U.K. based. Scribbled out the image and username as it’s not from a blue ticker. Not so much the tweet itself but the comments and quotes that came after it - all the typical ‘TERF island’, ‘trans healthcare is important’, ‘the U.K. is awful for this‘

And it’s like, well yes, healthcare is important. But if you go back 1023 days that’s September 2019. Six months or so later the pandemic hit. And I hate how everything has become this echo chamber of ‘this harms trans people’, as if they were waiting so long JUST BECAUSE they were trans, as if the waiting lists aren’t stretched enough, as if NO ONE ELSE is waiting so long for healthcare. tit, I know someone who had been put under CAHMS at the start of the pandemic, waited a year to be seen and was then told they would have to go onto another waiting list to go into adult services, and they are currently still waiting. I know another lady who due to the pandemic died from lung cancer. By the time restrictions eased and it was discovered, the cancer was too far gone to be treatable.

It IS crappy. It’s sad that a person felt they had to take their own life. But the reason behind the waiting lists is not inherently transphobic. And to say it is is selfish and obtuse. It really frustrates me! Like transpeople are the centre of the universe! One would also suggest that it wasn’t gender affirming healthcare this person needed but rather mental health support (again, in an overstretched NHS, from where?)

Sorry this is completely unrelated to the current discussion, also I don’t comment here as much as I like because I’m still working out what my stance is, and I am not as eloquent as I’d like, just every time I see comments and discussions go around in circles like this it fucks me right off and this is one of the few spaces I can vent w/o the fear of being ostracised as an evil stinking TERF.

 

[Glaschelle]

There's an awful lot of Women on the anti abortion wagon to be fair, in fact in Mississippi it's a woman leading the campaign because according to her forcing women to have children that they don't want at that moment (or at all) will allow them to have it all based on her own experiences. I personally also find it really difficult to hear women with disabled children try to force encourage other women to continue pregnancies. Bringing a child into the world is a very personal decision and no one should be dictating what an individual should do under any circumstances.

My old boss has a son with a genetic condition. In the old days, she was sent home from hospital without being told what was wrong with him. When it became obvious, she asked why she wasn't told and it was said that they wanted her to bond with her son. This was the 60s when they were trying to stop kids with difficulties being taken into care. A few years before the advice would have been to place him in care and move on.

My boss loves her son. He has recently been admitted to long term care both herself and her husband have health conditions. They are both bereft but are comforted that her son is well cared for.

She has always said that if she had known about his condition, she would have chosen abortion as she feels that she has spent her whole life fighting - fighting to get her son the best out life.

When my friend was pregnant and got bad results from tests, she was able to speak to my boss for more advice. My friend decided on abortion.

Im Catholic but feel it is utterly wrong for any woman to be forced to continue a pregnancy unless they are able to do so.

It just feels that we are going backwards instead of forwards.