Gender Discussion #110

[nothanksbabes]

And the women too, I’m sad to say. It’s no coincidence that all of the wheelchairs at Pride were full of women (some bearded, some not).



Look at all those women who have chosen to make themselves as hideous looking as possible. I bet they’re all on disability benefits. I’ll never believe that the wheelchairs are because they’ve all fucked themselves up on hormones either. The wheelchairs are a choice. Part of the cult uniform. They signify, like you say, that they’re on the fringes of society (and they WANT to be on the fringes of society).

I suppose I should feel sorry for them. There’s probably trauma there. But I’m also disgusted by them too.

I have some sympathy with these women. I've shared this before but I was a teenager I was traumatised (abandoned by birth parents, raised by terminally ill relative who died when I was 8, adopted - thankfully - by lovely great aunt who rescued me from my absent mother and her boyfriend who had reasons for wanting a little girl around I won't elaborate on), I was overweight, we were relatively poor, I was bullied for the way I looked, I'd had universally shite experiences with men so was confused about my sexuality.

If this ideology had been around then I might well have been sucked in as I certainly didn't feel like "a girl" in the sense my peers did. I was, to me, grotesque and certain I would never have a normal life.

Extremely fortunately for me my aunt, and the other women in my family, were the sort of working class Northern women who would not countenance the idea a woman couldn't do anything a man does, couldn't live her life how she pleases, and I was taught not to tie myself to any man or idea and go out and experience the world. By today's standards I'm sure they'd be non-binary as they all had short hair and I never saw any of them wear so much as lipstick.

Anyway... I know how it feels to feel so far removed from other girls as a young woman. Not pretty, awkward, boys laughed at me. I was loud and clever and opinionated and a tomboy and it would have been so easy to say, well, that's because I'm actually a boy.

And in a porn-saturated world of Kardashians and Instagram filters and "get ready with me!" and 10 year old girls going to Sephora and fucking Stonewall and Mermaids and OnlyFans and 'sex work is work', it is worse than ever for girls who don't conform.

It makes me furious. And these girls are being sacrificed at the altar of the delusions and entitlement of autogynephilic men.

I hate the idea that any young person is encouraged to be tied to an identity. I was 20 different people between 18 and 40. I was gender non conforming, had a girlfriend for years, on the gay scene, by my 30s I had a career, had lost weight, was suddenly unrecognisable physically and the world felt different again. I'm 40 now and a normal, attractive, educated woman with a kind partner (the sort of man I didn't think existed), an interesting job, friends who'd give me a kidney, and none of them give a shit how I 'identified' 20 years ago because I'm a full and complex human being subject to change, as is everyone.

It is so limiting to tie young people to an identity - before we even get to irreversible medical changes - because when you construct your entire life around an idea of yourself in one moment, it's very hard to say, actually no, I want to be someone different to this when you gave the sunk cost fallacy of having publicly nailed yourself to the cross of a marginalised identity.

Anyway, this has become such a long mememememe rant but... yeah. I just hate the disservice we do to young people by treating normal youthful experimentation and exploration as a fixed thing. And as ever it's the worst mind of men who benefit.

 

[Funny_bunny]

Just copied this from Facebook and I think it sums up the situation so perfectly.
"Only men could oppress women for thousands of years, turn around, put on a dress, and complain they are the most marginalized group in society."


-Kara Dansky

 

[devonport123]

This what comes of little boys never being told" No " by their mummies.

I live on an island in the Mediterranean, with very traditional, old school values. I’m extremely grateful that you simply don’t see this fucking nonsense here.
At least, until today, when I witnessed a young man on the beach, wearing a bikini, flouncing around & making a scene, full makeup, heel’s & hair bows. Beach is full of locals, families with small children. At one point, he made a big show of rearranging his cock & balls back into his thong.
At this point, an indignant & increasingly irate crowd began to gather, & it became apparent that our perpetrator was a British tourist. Of course he was, with zero respect or consideration for the rules & sensibilities of an exceptionally traditional country.
I’m pleased to report that he was escorted off the beach by a group of furious & disgusted father’s & husbands, & advised to get the fuck out of town.
It was so offensive to witness, but it was heartening to see that there are still little pockets of society that WILL NOT COUNTENANCE THIS FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS BEHAVIOUR.

 

[traumatised sideboard]

I've been following these threads for a while and have been hesitant about posting as a couple of people in my real life are aware I post here but I think I've had enough. I've realised over the last year that after previously identifying as bisexual, I'm actually gay. I went on Reddit (my first mistake) to find lesbian groups for support and they all seem to call other lesbians transphobic because they don't want to be with transwomen and shame them because 'some women have penises'. A man cannot be a lesbian and I will not be called transphobic for not being attracted to straight men.

Sorry for the minor derailment, it's just something that was really grating my mushrooms. For the record, I am not transphobic and don't agree with absolutely everything here (not here to thread police), I just believe in protecting single-sex spaces which includes my own sexuality.

 

[Dinate]

This is great news. There have been different rules I believe regarding the participation of TIM in women's tennis so hopefully this puts the issue to bed. Thank to Martina and no thanks at all to BJ King.

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[IngressUK]

Utter nonsense Ad on the London Underground..

https://www.reddit.com/r/LondonUnderground/s/PZkEp1LNiL

Are you having weird thrills over invading Women's spaces and activities?

Are you fanatical about TERFS?

Are you being the intolerant dick over the long established rights of biological women?

Then YOU really are the danger to others.

 

[Weebles Wobble]

Just when you think it can't get any more perverted....

 

[Moon Face]

The worshipping of TQ+ family members is so weird, my daughter is a lesbian, I will talk of her girlfriend to others, but I'm not proud of her for that. She is kind, funny, hard working and a fabulous big sister, that is what I admire about her. It is so strange that some parents make that their child's whole personality.

 

[CariettaWhite]

The thought of an innocent baby being forced to drink chemically induced pus from man who is no doubt sporting at least a semi if not a full erection makes me feel genuinely sick.

Fucking paedos and pweirdo apologists. Revolting.

 

[Weebles Wobble]

Well deserved!!!

 

[Metropolis]

Yet there are posters on the Celeb thread saying they trust troons in our private spaces and they'd never do anything bad like a 'cis' man would.
Poor deluded souls.

I can’t get my head around the thought processes of people who believe that putting on a dress, heels and lippy makes males inherently safer than their non cross-dressing counterparts. Surely displaying their fetish in public and expressing their desire to infiltrate women’s spaces shows that they have no problem overstepping boundaries to fulfil their fantasies.

 

[MaineCoonMama]

Are there any other topics that are banned?

Definitely not marmalade, dead pets, bed linen, what you wore to school, the lushness of your male relatives' hair or who went to your Aunt Margaret's funeral in 1987.

 

[Funny_bunny]

 

[Funny_bunny]

Scots trans campaigner vows to use 'as many female toilets as possible'

Sophie Molly made the comments as new guidance on single-sex spaces comes into force.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Sophie Molly is on a crusade let’s get his picture/name out there

I loathe this creature with a passion. A man brazenly using women’s toilets, not because he, “Just wants to pee” but to be provocative, to cause upset. There is nothing remotely woman like about his behavior, nasty creepy weirdo.

 

[Funny_bunny]

The “queer milk” news story in Scotland is getting a huge backlash. I’m not sure if it’s had any publicity outside Scotland, but taxpayers money being used to fund a group helping TIM breastfeed their hormone induced gunk to innocent babies is not going down well with the public. It really is exposing these vile perverts for what they are. Using babies as a prop for their fetish is absolute sickening abuse.

 

[klarakluckbag]

I live on the edge of a Uni area in a large city and the number of younger men now presenting as women is crazy. They all have a similar look too - mullet / bad perm hairdo, choker necklace, DM's, bralet/crop top.
I feel this is more of a 'movement' rather than anything else surely? They don't actually want to be women?

I work near to a very famous art college and there are LOADS of young men prancing around in flouncy skirts, with bra tops, strappy sandals and lots of jangly jewellery. They always have dreadful hair though, and they're often holding hands with a much more plainly-dressed female companion, which just makes it more obvious that they're men
I think they want to be women when it means that they're being fawned over in female toilets in pubs and clubs. They're not so eager when it comes to working just as hard for less money and/or recognition, or doing the lion's share of household tasks, or bringing up children or remembering the family birthdays, or cooking dinner every night, or caring for elderly relatives, etc, etc, etc.
They're all very keen to let us know that they just feel like women. They have no fucking idea, do they?

 

[Miss Ophelia]

Truth will out.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

I hate this so much. Murder is murder. Violence against women and girls is exactly that whether you’re 1 or 101. To my mind it diminishes the seriousness of it NOT to include it in statistics. No one deserves to be murdered regardless of age.
It’s also like newspapers reporting a female murder victim as “beautiful”, as if it makes it more serious. It’s awful regardless of what people look like or how old they are. It’s also like people commenting on Ann Widdecombe and using vile language like “Old Maid”. What does her private life matter. Don’t get me started on the AI “Young Ann” pictures I’ve seen.

I realised last night that the reason so many men hated widdecombe is no only that she didn’t conform to ideals of feminine beauty, it’s also the fact that she didn’t give a shit. Nothing makes them more angry than us not even caring about the male gaze.

see also Mary Beard

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Female detective sacked in Trans gross misconduct case

Detective Constable Rachel Fletcher (pictured), 49, had been pivotal in ensuring Ross Jackson, a prolific paedophile, was caught and jailed for 23 years in Newcastle in February.

www.dailymail.com

two steps forward dozen steps backwards when is this going to stop the 0.1% dicting to the 99.9% and we lie down and take it because we can’t hurt their feelings life isn’t fair and the sooner they realise the better.

Male colleagues told a disciplinary panel they were ‘offended’ when they overheard Ms Fletcher joking with a female officer that all men should be on a 9pm curfew to stop night-time sex attacks.

You know what this is, don't you? Male colleagues who are jealous of her ability and dedication to duty which has led to her working her way up a very slippery ladder in a very misogynist police force.

It's male colleagues who don't like being told what to do by a woman.

It's male colleagues who don't like being shown up as lazy, useless a-holes when she gets things done.

It may even be male colleagues who tried together into her knickers and she told them to bugger off.

One delicate little flower of a male colleague who thought "cocks in frocks" was transphobic and demeaning - really? Has he never heard the foul, sexist comments a lot men make about women - especially in male-dominated professions like the police?

And others thought it was offensive that she said there should be a 9.00pm curfew on men. Golda Meir said similar many years ago when it was suggested that to keep women safe from rape they should all be indoors in their own homes by a certain time. Mrs Meir said "It's the men who should have a curfew. It's the men who are doing the raping."

She's claiming unfair dismissal. I hope she wipes the f*cking floor with Northumbria police.

As Ms Flethcer said: ‘Offending colleagues does not make me a danger to the public, yet my name is now on a list with rapists and murderers.’

And as former South Wales Police Superintendent Cathy Larkman, director of the Women’s Rights Network, added: ‘This is a modern-day public witch burning.’