Gender Discussion #105

[funkimunki1984]

So well said, I am loving this dicussion.

It's also put me in mind of how I just saw a clip for the new James Gunn Supergirl movie. It looks awful. I am never going to say that the Supergirl from the 80s is good because it wasn't, it's cringy and embarrassing with some truly horrendous acting and even worse dialouge one thing it got right was the balancing of being a very powerful (literally) and emotionally strong woman while also not being a cynical, quippy mess who likes to hate on and emasculate men. It's made me so weary that the new movie is going the route it's chosen. It's like feminity and grace are a big no no now, every woman in fiction has to be Strong Female Character who just sneers at everything as inferior in the way you know the writers behind the script do.

It's like there can only be one type of strong woman and it's so tedious to me.

I feel like good role models, even fictional ones, are vanishingly rare.

Big comic book fan here. Supergirl is actually like that in the comics so they’re making her comic book accurate. She was supposed to protect baby kal el (superman) when they were sent to earth, but he got here first and she ended up in the phantom some. By the time she got to earth as a teen, he was older than her, doing great and she was essentially defunct.
So her angsty teen self is why she is the way she is. She remembers krypton and how it was, whereas kal el doesn’t because he was a baby. She had to learn to love earth but she’d rather go get drunk somewhere with a red sun than accept her life.

sorry for the geeky rant. My ted talk has now finished lol.

 

[Milliemoo99]

Guess who (answer in thread)

I honestly have no idea who or what that is?

I am honestly bemused that anyone can do a video like that and send it? Has he no shame? The wig is horrendous, the eye make up!! how did they get that so wrong? the odd paint colour on the lips, had he just had a black slushy or something? and the outfit!!! Its horrid, The bra straps are in completely the wrong place, the outfit is inappropriate for the speech he is giving.

Is it meant as satire?

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

Surely this is a spoof? Because, all else aside, on what planet would anyone turn up at work wearing that gopping dress?!

 

[DoraMaar]

Half a century of feelings, a sense of otherness, of secrecy and shame, of being tainted somehow by my father’s transgender identity.

Beyond the Loneliness of Family Members — Genspect

 

[devonport123]

Another porn addled pervert. Looks like a creep and thinks like a creep. The more of this vile stuff they come out with, the more I detest them.

Edit to add a picture of the gorgeous, feminine Kirsti . Think Krusti would be more apt.
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Fuck me. Looks like Zelda from Pet Semetary

 

[JAR21]

Has anyone had any feedback from the BBC complaint the other day?

I mentioned that they shoehorn trannies into every opportunity, even when it's completely irrelevant.

 

[Moon Face]

I was listening to a podcast the other day about the scam where an individual is threatened with arrest and going to jail unless they pay X amount of money by some dodgy method.

The subject of the podcast panicked and tried to pay the money (was stopped before she did)

I'd be " Please come and arrest me, bed, fed, peace and quiet for a few days, and cheaper than a hotel. What isn't to love about that?"

I don't think the scammer would find it amusing though.

 

[Piff paff puff]

View attachment 3941922Just saw this on FB. Why are the Greens bring sex and fetish bollocks to politics? Only conclusion I can draw is that they want to normalise it and bring onces in before people truly realise what is happening.

The residents of Denton and Gorton must be a little confused seeing this after hearing the victory speech on election night a couple of weeks back

 

[Mugglewump]

I am so glad I don’t have a partner. Sex is not adequate compensation

Absolutely this!
Besides, these days I'd far rather have a cup of tea and big bag of crisps.

 

[Peachsquish]

I hate the way these headlines are written as poor little “trans girls” evicted from an activity they enjoy. It should instead be “Girl Guiding forced to adhere to the law and address their lax safeguarding”.

Sadly in some of the leaders eyes. Itt is all our fault because we are anti trams

 

[BlairWaldorf86]

That’s got to be one of those rubber masks

 

[JAR21]

I’m a very reluctant member as I’m a mum to a disabled daughter and wanted some semblance of backing if shit hit the fan and work were difficult about the flexibility I need. I have been very fortunate that my work are fab and think I will be cancelling my membership soon anyway.

Could you see whether you could change to the Darlington Nurses Union? I don't know whether they accept non Nurses?

 

[JAR21]

One of the reasons for including sex scenes in TV/film is that "everybody does it". The same could be said for going to the loo, but we thankfully don't need to see that!
Although if things keep going the way they are, we'll soon be getting that as well. (I understand that there are men who enjoy that - Lord Boothby types).
Another agreement on older television and cinema here.

There are films/programmes where they show blokes going for a wee. It's disgusting. I know we all do it, but we don't need to see it.

I mainly watch sport on TV, or things like Race across the world, 24 hours in A&E etc.

 

[Miss Ophelia]

New Thread Terfs 🤍 https://tattle.life/threads/gender-discussion-106.52361/

 

[catsandsoup]

Totally agree with what you say here.

My current pet peeve is reworking classics like making a Jane Austen adaptation full of sex, modern dialogue and everyone contrite about the slave trade, or Agatha Christie with the plot changed to add in some extra story the screen writer has come up with because they think they can improve on the original

Nobody has made an 'improved' version of any classic novel this century. They're too busy thinking they can do better than the original. All they do is force modern values and sensibilities into the plot which makes it seem jarring and less historically accurate. Sadly a lot of younger people are probably unaware that they are being manipulated by this.

I dread to think what Henry VIII will be doing with a trans woman in the Tudor court but no doubt it will be lapped up by those desperate to prove that it was the norm 500 years ago

To my mind, its insulting to the people then. We know women and some minorities weren't allowed to progress, so when you make say, a Poor Things, where the lead is just like 'I'll go to medical school in Victorian London', and everyone is just like 'Awesome, no woman ever thought of that before, we've no issue, though!' It suggests that the reason there was little progression then wasn't that were was measurable oppression, its just no one wanted it enough.
Same as a lot of the US films about civil rights like Hidden Figures or The Help, where the mean white ladies in the 60s are the power and enforcers behind racism while most of the white dudes (who were predominantly still in charge of law, education, etc.) look on baffled like 'What are you gals cat fighting about?'
Generally, films and books have gotten so lazy on this, lots of therapy speak that didn't exist 30 years ago, modern approaches in period set books. (I read Joe Hill, Stephen King's son's novel, King's Sorrow, bloody awful BTW, parts were set in the 90s but it was all 'I'm your emotional support system!' and 'Trans women are women!')

 

[GingerWhinger]

I am going to be superficial and shady. In Whittome‘s video, she has the cheek to say about gender critical campaigners having brass necks. Well, Nadia, your neck looks like a bleddy goitre (it’s not, it’s just not a handsome neck).

Do they ever answer the question as to how not siding with men who masquerade as women harms us?

 

[Peachsquish]

Fairly sure I'm in that group too.

At least you're not the group member who thinks females are being excluded

 

[Metropolis]

Kiera Bell is amazing. I hope she has access to good quality therapy after what she's been through.

Gotta say, I'm not a fan of that Edge of the Matrix guy. I think shouting at a young woman like that, when she's also be heckled by other quite aggressive and hostile men, isn't a good look. I've seen him filming at the Darlington nurses case and muscling in on a woman discussing things with a TRA. It was a really respectful conversation and I like to think the young TRA wowan went away and thought about the points raised. But he kept butting in and talking over them. You can't claim to care about women if you talk over them when they're talking about their rights (always bugged me about Glinner too, regularly spoke over Helen Staniland and other women he had on)

That whole thing turned into a shit show with aggressive males on both ‘sides’. The aggression is just awful and does nothing to further the cause.


Nitter https://nitter.net/thenowherephoto/status/2030666680305656236#m

 

[Mugglewump]

Should have said, that's Maggie Chapman of The Scottish Greens on the left.

 

[funkimunki1984]

I'm getting so sick of all this shit. For the most oppressed section of society they sure as hell get a lot of air time. They just can't leave anything alone.

Elizabeth I had to really be a man, not just a sassy bad ass woman. It's all back to stereotypes, any woman who dared to act outside the oppressed, submissive woman was obviously trans.

It makes me wonder if they’re going to do the Bisley Boy. There was a rumour that Elizabeth died as a child and they replaced her with a boy who looked like her to fool Henry VIII. This would then explain her not having children etc.

Apparently they used to celebrate it in Bisley where on May Day they would dress a boy as the Queen. And Bram Stoker wrote about it in the 1900’s in one of his books.

Im honestly hoping it’s not because I feel like the whole LGBTQIA XYZ++**#% agenda is getting ridiculous now. For such a small segment of society they seem to be everywhere!