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Love_hate_small_town

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The article is slightly cringe but to be fair, the FT would HATE him. he is exposing a lot of hard truths that people just do not want to believe. It’s way easier to blame immigrants and benefit claimants than to accept that the system is rigged to not only keep you in your place but to reduce everyone’s chance of gaining financial security and the best way out for it is to vote for people who will tax the rich. And btw, no one who is really rich got their by pulling themselves up by the bootstraps.

plenty of people doing so much worse. Do t really care if he’s pumped up his narrative. He’s doing good and is a net positive in my book.
 
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peachplumpear

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I struggle to see how he can pitch himself as this virtuous anti-capitalist while still openly admitting to making his money 'betting' (I guess calling it 'trading' is too corporate) on the downfall of the economy; on other people's misery. He constantly brags about being rich, he can dress it all up in the 'oh but I saw the evils of the city' thing, but unfortunately it does come across as very riches for me but not for thee. He also says 'listen' too much, which I appreciate is a very petty complaint. I will admit that appearing with Steven Bartlett guarantees that you won't be the most annoying person in the room, at least.
 
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rainbowlemon

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I also liked him because of his background. My grandfather moved to the UK around 55 years ago. Out of his children, one became a doctor, while the other two worked as postmen. My mother was a dinner lady at a primary school. Despite this, my brother and I both qualified as doctors, as did two of my cousins who, like us, were raised by fathers who were postmen.

We had the gift and curse of the immigrant mentality, where education was everything. We were pushed relentlessly. There was little room to explore or take risks the way our wealthier peers could. The difference in opportunity was stark. One of my best friends was gifted an entire house, complete with a swimming pool. Another received a flat for her Bat Mitzvah at just 13. Beyond that, their families had the means to move into the best school catchment areas, pay for private tutors, and provide the safety net of never needing part-time jobs during their studies. They had quiet, spacious homes with dedicated study spaces, while we grew up in cramped housing, with little privacy and nowhere to study in peace. When it came to work experience, they had connections to secure placements in top firms and hospitals, while the rest of us had to figure it out on our own.

The Docklands may have opened its doors to some working-class employees, but that doesn’t mean real social mobility had taken hold by the 2000s or that they had a meaningful foothold in finance. Being a trader or investment banker at Citi is an entirely different level from working in a middle-office or support role. Gary has shared his lived experiences and the biases he faced within the industry. I haven't read every single thing about him, but while he has criticized left-wing groups for not understanding financial markets, I haven't seen evidence that he claimed none of his colleagues at Citibank had progressive or leftist views.

Finance today is still dominated by people from elite educational and social backgrounds. Proximity to London doesn’t automatically grant access to powerful networks, and having two working parents doesn’t mean wealth or connections that smooth the path into finance.

When you grow up knowing there is no house deposit waiting for you, no family safety net, it changes the way you approach life, education, career choices, and financial decisions in ways that people with generational wealth often don’t have to consider.

It’s fair to question how actionable Gary’s ideas are, but he has consistently advocated for wealth redistribution through fairer taxation, higher wages, and a reformed banking system that isn’t as exploitative. He has also pushed for financial education to be made more accessible so that working class people can better navigate a system that often shuts them out. One can debate the feasibility of his ideas, whether they are truly practical solutions or just catchy slogans but dismissing them outright because they aren’t immediately implementable ignores the complexity of tackling inequality. Change doesn’t happen overnight; it starts with shifting perspectives and pushing for systemic reform.

Controversial, but I don’t believe wealth taxes are the best solution. Greater transparency and accountability could be. Taxing the super-wealthy more heavily to redistribute their wealth sounds fair on the surface, but higher taxes can discourage investment and innovation.
 
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peachplumpear

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I find his man of the people schtick intensely aggravating - the 'I have my meetings in Canary Wharf Nandos' bollocks. How convenient that he only decided about the evils of capitalism once he'd made his million (although there was a moment during his Piers Morgan interview where he said something like 'how am I going to afford to send my kids to school' - surely a great advocate of social equality would be sending their kids to state school?)

He's so peevish over the criticisms too - fair enough, respond if you think you've been misrepresented, but I'm shocked that someone who has worked in financial services would be surprised that vague and outlandish claims like being an IB's most profitable trader wouldn't be challenged.
 
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So he's potentially earning £101,220+ a year before tax from Patreon alone, without Youtube & book sales included.

As I took the lowest tier not everyone will be on that one. Others will be paying more to be a hero or a friend.
With all of this, the point still stands that a TC of low six figures isn’t enough to become “a millionaire” with assets you can draw down a decent salary from. Yes your NW may be low single digit millions but that’ll include your house & pensions, you’d still need to keep earning. This is the problem with fiscal drag - fixed tax bands, high housing costs, even high earners aren’t able to build what people assume the 1% have.

Tattle might not be the platform for this discussion tbh because I already know I’ll get flamed for the above.
 
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It’s perfectly fair to question how much of his stance is self-serving, but the idea that someone can’t critique the system just because they’ve been successful within it would mean only those who’ve never had wealth or access can speak out which isn’t realistic.
This isn’t the criticism I’m levying, personally. I actually don’t think he’s been particularly successful, and that’s my problem with him - he’s presenting himself falsely therefore nothing else he does can be trusted, because why not just be honest? Why not say - isn’t it shocking I can get onto a golden career path only to find out how impossible it is to build wealth without a generational leg up? There’s entire communities on Reddit dedicated to just this school of thought so he wouldn’t be alone in saying this, it just wouldn’t be particularly monetisable.

Instead he’s operating from a place of ego and falsely reporting that after 2 years at a junior role in a bank as “the best trader ever” then a badly timed geographical abroad has left him as a multi millionaire. That in itself is a stretch, but combine that with the new public profile I’m super cynical. If he had anything left in his finance career he’d be there lbr, but he doesn’t so here he is grifting for cash on Patreon.

The path of cosplaying working class grifter with a Patreon page is very well trodden one. I can’t take anyone claiming to be the first and only working class person in their industry seriously as it’s no longer 1970, and erases the massive contributions/progress made by WC people before us? The notions he puts out that this cheeky chappy from Ilford was the one educating them on how the masses live in the late 2000s actually makes my skin crawl with cringe it’s so unrealistic and self applauding. 🤢

And finally, and most pettily, I don’t know anyone that sounds like him? I’m from SE London, thinking of friends from across south & east out to the Home Counties aged 20-40s and no one has an accent like that. He sounds like he’s cosplaying as an older man it’s not a naturally occurring accent from our lifetime/area? I wonder what his real voice sounds like. Again, code switching is a thing and he wouldn’t be alone in admitting he does it (I do!) but he won’t because his code switching is clearly the other way around. 🤷‍♀️

I’m sure he’s a fab fiction writer as the reviews for the book are good. I just can’t see how anyone can take him seriously post FT takedown. In fact if I had been eviscerated to that degree by the FT I’d simply cease grifting?
 
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EllsBellsWells

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🎯 agreed. Same with presentation.

He wouldn’t have been the only working class grad in his intake, nor in his department - the world isn’t as an extreme caricature of the British class system as working class cosplayer twitter names want us to believe. It’s also not a conspiracy against “the little guy”.

I very politely disagree on this one- the class system very much lives up to any sort of caricature it may be portrayed as.

Take medicine as an example- only 5% of med school students are from a working class background.

The whole of society definitely is stacked against lower and working classes and they make up barely any percentage of well paid and highly regarded sectors, so I don't think he'd have been the only working class person there but I bet he was only a tiny minority and subsequently did have a shitter time.

I can't warm to him much at all and I think some of it is an act but I absolutely applaud him for what he's doing, because someone has to.
 
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edgeofseventeen

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I like him. I haven't read The Trading Game, but came across him through social media. I admit I did wince a bit for him when I read the FT article and take his 'World's Best Trader' claims with a heavy dose of salt. However, I do enjoy his content and wouldn't consider him a grifter, per se. I totally get that making money through book sales based off somewhat inflated claims is a bit opportunistic and I'm sure he's being paid well for all the media appearances he's making at the moment. But, if he wanted to be really cynical and grabby I'm sure he could make plenty of money handing out trading tips and going down the 'get rich like me' route instead. He's talked on his channel about why he doesn't give out trading advice and I've always found him refreshingly honest about the fact that he is very much an anomaly and for most people social mobility and meritocracy just don't work. And that trading is very much gambling.


He's clearly very passionate about inequality and I think he explains some complex subjects really well. I've definitely learnt a lot from watching his content and think about money/wealth differently now. I also like that he's talking about the move towards far right politics, particularly in young working class men, without being dismissive and patronising. He has an interesting perspective given his background and work/education experience. I'm glad he's out there talking about these subjects in a relatable way.


I do sometimes feel a bit despondent after listening to him though. Not because of him personally but more because it feels that wealth has it's own inescapable gravity which causes it to concentrate itself and we're all a bit powerless against it.


But yeah, anyway. Tax the rich, innit.
 
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rainbowlemon

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For me I don’t think Gary’s credibility necessarily hinged on whether he was “the best trader ever” or the length of his finance career in the UK.

Jordan Belfort exaggerated parts of his story, but he still exposed how shady stock market manipulation works. Similarly, Tai Lopez (YouTuber) built his brand on the image of being ultra-successful, but his core message about financial literacy and leveraging social media still resonated with people.

The Financial Times article obviously did make him look bad, but was focused on whether Gary was truly a top trader, but it didn’t refute his wider points about inequality or how the system benefits the already wealthy.

As for the “cosplaying working-class grifter” critique, I don’t think he’s claimed to be the only working-class person in finance, it was was still rare, and the barriers to entry are real. He’s managed to tap into frustrations that many people have, and while some might find his delivery grating, that doesn’t mean the broader conversation he’s pushing is without merit.

The code switching could just be an unconscious or deliberate adaptation.Compared to the level of deception from Elizabeth Holmes, who also lied to investors and ran faulty medical tests a bit of code switching and self mythologizing isn’t exactly scandalous.
 
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rainbowlemon

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What could he do to be better?

He hasn't had a privileged life with a family estate going back to the 16th century. There was no trust fund. He lived in a council house for much of his early life . His mother was a cleaner. His father a builder. He didn’t attend Eton or Westminster, or any other elite private school that quietly prepares students for fast tracked success. He hasn't had internships at Goldman Sachs or USB (Switzerland), because his father knew someone. That world was miles away from where he started.

He worked hard to earn his place at LSE and Oxford. Earning $35 million dollars in a year trading is still a lot of money even if it might not make him number one in the world.

He's making a lot of money now and most people in his position would do the exact same thing to maximise their earning potential. After years of working hard, breaking into elite spaces without the safety net of wealth or connections, and building a following from scratch .

Perhaps it’s a bit of a catch-22, if someone stays grounded and talks about their roots, they’re “trying too hard to be relatable”; if they don’t, they’re accused of forgetting where they came from. That doesn’t mean he’s beyond criticism, of course.

Maybe he does play up the accent a little, but the core message remains: there is deep, entrenched inequality in the UK, and it affects opportunities, outcomes, and entire lives.

Sending kids to state school can certainly be an act of supporting social equality, but the reality is, even with the best intentions, personal decisions often reflect a complex set of factors. A advocate of social equality could push for systemic change in education while also making a decision based on the specific needs of their family. There might be SEN to take into consideration.

Also perhaps the little beany hat and gloves look is to make people think he hasn't got the heating on. Class signalling works both ways.
 
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I very politely disagree on this one- the class system very much lives up to any sort of caricature it may be portrayed as.

Take medicine as an example- only 5% of med school students are from a working class background.

The whole of society definitely is stacked against lower and working classes and they make up barely any percentage of well paid and highly regarded sectors, so I don't think he'd have been the only working class person there but I bet he was only a tiny minority and subsequently did have a shitter time.

I can't warm to him much at all and I think some of it is an act but I absolutely applaud him for what he's doing, because someone has to.
I’m not denying that as I totally agree, the country still has a real problem with class and as an upwardly mobile girly/household I truly care about it too. I’m just being shady and pointing out that the extremes portrayed on Twitter by folks like him or Jack Monroe bear no resemblance to the reality actual working people see in their workplaces - it’s just online hyperbole to create these weird parasocial monetisable relationships with their audience.

He’s constantly repeating that he was the first & only WC person at Citi in the late 2000s and that not a single colleague shared remotely leftist/progressive views? 🤨 I’m sorry but how thick does he think his audience is? He’s about 2 or 3 decades too late with this narrative, like the docklands regeneration by virtue of where it is opened its doors to nearby working class folk to work in these new buildings (and not just building them - tho my dad did!) in the 80s & 90s? I don’t think it’s particularly progressive to completely erase their contributions so Gary can have his hero narrative?

Another hallmark of the twitter grifter is to completely ignore any privilege - to be white, male, in proximity to London/the outer suburbs depending on how generous you are with the definition of what London is now, and with two parents in work and in fairly good jobs (teacher, postman) is privilege. But you’ll never hear them talk about intersectionality or anything interesting because they have to keep the audience & their cash to themselves. I’ve never heard him come up with anything actually actionable either for state or private sector? And I’m always stunned when I hear these “campaigners” fling around terms like growing up impoverished etc because aren’t their masters level educated parents sat there thinking lol wat babe as I doubt he’d have been eligible for EMA or uni grants with that household income? 🤷‍♀️

I’m not against the idea of wealth redistribution at all, in fact we need wealth taxes asap if even only achievable on the “lower” levels of house market distorting parental gifts, but I still think this bloke is a total grifter/chancer.

I am really relieved to hear he makes your spidey senses go off too about his character - it is really weird, I would love to have heard him in uni/at Citi as I can’t imagine it was like that.
 
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Perhaps his personality might have played a bigger role in any ostracization than just his origins alone?
🎯 agreed. Same with presentation.

He wouldn’t have been the only working class grad in his intake, nor in his department - the world isn’t as an extreme caricature of the British class system as working class cosplayer twitter names want us to believe. It’s also not a conspiracy against “the little guy”.
 
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zcfthc5

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Why more people can't see the problem with someone making money (and a lot of it) out of pretending to fight social inequality is a mystery.
Hmm i think if anything the most recent Epstein files have taught us that he’s right, the elites are fucking laughing at us and if someone with the brains, cv and balls is prepared to put their head above the parapet I’ll support them if they are crystal clear about their financial position. I don’t want someone to live off rice to prove their virtue for the cause
 
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rainbowlemon

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I promise I’m not secretly him or that I know him in real life. :LOL:

He has not claimed moral purity just openly acknowledged that he has made money from the system he criticizes. That doesn’t automatically invalidate his critique; rather it adds weight to it because he understands the underlying mechanisms of the financial system and why it’s not working.

Others like Bernie sanders who challenge capitalism have benefited from it in some way. The key difference is whether they acknowledge that contradiction or try to hide it. Gary has been upfront about it.

It’s perfectly fair to question how much of his stance is self-serving, but the idea that someone can’t critique the system just because they’ve been successful within it would mean only those who’ve never had wealth or access can speak out which isn’t realistic.
 
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byefeliciax

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I’ve been following Gary for a good while now, I really rate him. I don’t know where I stand on his wealth tax proposals, I don’t understand enough about the economic implications, but nobody can deny that he’s spot on about inequality. Like him or loathe him, he’s finally captured people’s attention and it’s time to talk. I think he’s a phenomenal campaigner and activist. Sometimes I get a sense of arrogance from him, but to bring this conversation into the mainstream I guess you’ve got to be quite self-assured, so I do wonder if that’s all a bit of a front. All in all I think he’s doing something really powerful.

I quite fancy him too. Even in the Cornishware socks.

I watched his documentary on Channel 4 this week and I was really moved by it so wanted to see if there was a thread! Also because I wanted to see if there was a thread on Samuel Leeds. The documentary outed SL as a proper grifter.
 
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Doc

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He feels like a social steering plant to me.

He’s been around for years, so to blow up and be on every-chuffing-thing seems to be part of a greater project. His past has been “sexed up” and he’s got a very specific, repetitive message.

My step daughter works in behaviour science, from what she’s said about her work before, it’s textbook government manipulation of the masses.
 
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codered

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Nooo way! I’ve watched a couple of his videos, my husband and dad watch him and think he’s great. Like you, he also set my spidey senses off but my husband wasn’t having any of it. Wonder what’s next to come out, if anything.
 
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