TheScarletgirl
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I feel like you can't be against migrants crossing the border without being called a racist.
Disagree.Even if they are economic migrants, that's not necessarily bad. What would work better is if they were housed - maybe in some form of camp - and then the resources provided so that they can make their submission to the UK while they are relatively safe, and then there would be no benefit to the people smugglers. But that's never going to happen is it...
Why is it racist?I feel like you can't be against migrants crossing the border without being called a racist.
Agree with the bit in bold (and all of it). Your eyes don’t lie; people can see what’s going on. Multi-culturalism is practically non-existent. There are multiple cultures but that doesn’t mean they mix. Most stay segregated.People bang on about the UK being a multicultural society but you can’t have a multicultural society if certain sections don’t bother to integrate, learn the language, etc.
And regardless of what people say that is a massive issue.
I find a lot of people who are for people claiming asylum here without checks, coming across on dinghies etc are people who will never have to deal with the issues that these people bring. Where I used to live there was a massive issue with people who didn’t integrate and it caused so many problems. Walking down the street I was followed by men, I was told by them I should cover up, I was told I didn’t belong here etc.Then you’d get to the drs surgery and it was so overcrowded, lots of people couldn’t speak English and it would take ages to get checked in. I once had to queue for nearly 2 hours just to speak to a receptionist to check in! It’s madness.
The system doesn’t work, more people are going to get hurt, tensions are going to rise. That isn’t racism, that’s just looking at what’s happening.
I found that comment a bit disingenuous and attempting to pray on the peoples sympathies - there are fewer orphan children claiming asylum or crossing illegally than there are able bodied men.
Right?I feel like you can't be against migrants crossing the border without being called a racist.
Tortured three times yet survived in a fit state to cross multiple European countries? Tortured by both ISIS and Assad, neither of whom leave witnesses, yet managed to escape both?We don't. Asylum seekers are given access to healthcare as they are in the vast majority of European countries. Most people entering the UK on immigration visas are required to pay the NHS surcharge.
As for the nonsense about "real men" stay and fight .... I spoke to a refugee (a successful asylum seeker) from Syria. He was working as a taxi driver in Raqaa when ISIS arrived. One of his jobs was to deliver medicines to the local hospital. ISIS decided he was working for the al-Assad government so picked him up and tortured him. He managed to escape and made his way to the safety of Damascus. There he was picked up by government agents who suspected he was an ISIS spy and tortured again. Eventually he was released but decided he had to get out of Syria. He crossed the border to the safety of Lebanon where he was picked up by the authorities and returned to Syria. The Syrian police detained and tortured him again. This time when he was released he managed to travel to the UK where he claimed asylum. Who was he supposed to "stay and fight".
The English language has a big part of it, no doubt.Is the English language the main driver for people wanting to leave France?
If the UK really was that more generous than France wouldn't the government end the policies just like that to stop the crossings (as it would be a real vote winner)? I thought that people waiting for their application to be processed lived in terrible places with a tiny allowance for years?
I'd argue the Britain isn't very hospitable either, particularly when the UK had a literal 'Hostile Environment Policy' in place from 2012. Britain has a long history of poor treatment of migrant workers, from Churchill's proposed "Keep England White" slogan in 1955, all the way up to the Windrush scandal. Sure even post-WW2, the British government made more of an effort to draft in 'European Voluntary Workers' (read: white people) to curb the amount of Afro-Carribean commonwealth citizens who were coming over (some of whom fought under the crown!). Yep, the British government would rather draft in former German prisoners of war who fought for the Nazis, then let the Afro-Carribean people in. History doesn't paint a pretty picture.@Yel
The English language, plus a long history of being relatively hospitable to immigrants, must be part of their desire to reach the UK rather than stay in a 'safe' European place. Plus many have relatives already here, so there's a way to see community, assistance etc.
The French are not very hospitable, it has to be said, hence the presence of the 'jungle camps'.
But the processing seems to take forever, and we dont seem able to keep track of people either - thus potentially letting in undesirables, and people are quite rightly concerned about this. They are also concerned about the large numbers of young single men (probably the only ones capable of making the journey in relative safety compared to girls and young women) and potential culture clash.
People bang on about the UK being a multicultural society but you can’t have a multicultural society if certain sections don’t bother to integrate, learn the language, etc.I live in Kent and sometimes I feel like I’m in a foreign country… honestly, take a walk around Dover and you would think your are abroad. I sat at a doctors surgery and there were people obviously wanting an appointment but were unable to speak English to even get their details. A Deliveroo driver couldn’t read the note on delivery instructions because he didn’t know English and he didn’t understand what I was saying over the telecom, so decided to say I wasn’t in and go to his next delivery…by the time I had gotten down the stairs to get the delivery from him, he had gone.
It’s bonkers. I’m not the slightest bit racist and understand people genuinely fleeing for their lives but they pass through many safe countries. They just come here because they think they will get money and a house and our criminal justice system is shit so they can get away with committing crime.
I found that comment a bit disingenuous and attempting to pray on the peoples sympathies - there are fewer orphan children claiming asylum or crossing illegally than there are able bodied men.Suella tripped up when questioned how an African orphan could get to live with a sibling in the UK.
I agree with everything you said. I have seen on other sections on tattle members have been ganged up upon if some users don't like their views. I would say most people agree that many who cross the channel by dingy are economic migrants.Why is it racist?
Because of a small minority who don't like others having a view that differs to theirs, seems to think it is?
The last time I checked, you are allowed you own opinon, even if others don't like it.
I also don't think this can carry on. There are already over an estimated one million illegal migrants in the UK. At the current rate, this figure will double by the next election. Just how many more do some expect us to take before a serious knock on effect is felt?
I also think that if you have the money to pay a people smuggler the money to get you into a specific country, that you are a not genuine refugee or asylum seeker.
If people don't like my opinions then tough. I'm legally entitled to hold them, no laws have been broken for holding the above opinions.
I’m sorry, yes these men are coming from hardship be that war or economic but willingly being placed with children, taking spaces from actual children, going to school and clubs with children….it’s all really creepy. The safeguarding is ridiculous.It’s very hard to prove, and I’m not sure if stats are available. I’ve seen countless cases of disputed age assessments from my previous job.
all were men, all then got a lawyer and legal aid funding to judicially review the assessment. In the meantime these men were in foster placements, and in classrooms. They were regularly described to have grey hairs, calloused hands, tattooed, sometimes with receding hairlines and generally looked late 20 to mid 30s.
In some cases I seen, the men were removed from the foster homes they were placed in because the family felt uncomfortable by their presence and their friends who were older men. They felt concerned to have these men near their children and felt they were taking a space from a child in genuine need.
awful situation for anyone to be in.
Then those people doing the ganging up on should be reported - as what they are doing is nothing more than bullying others.I agree with everything you said. I have seen on other sections on tattle members have been ganged up upon if some users don't like their views. I would say most people agree that many who cross the channel by dingy are economic migrants.
I used to volunteer to teach English to asylum seekers, it was for under 18s but I can say with certainty they were not children. I have a medical background and it's not grounded in ignorance or racism or whatever else, they were absolutely definitely not 18 or even overly close to 18. Of course I can only speak on my experience can't speak for elsewhere. There's also the conflicting views on women many bring with them which is scary. I am not saying all are whatever towards women but I'm sceptical about how people can grow up with these entrenched views (also towards western women and what they're like) and then just shake them off.My other issue with these people coming across is that it’s mainly men and men who have said they are under 18 so they get taken in by the social care system and placed in foster homes and schools. A huge safeguarding risk to children.