Derek Chauvin murder trial - George Floyd

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Jacob Black is a sexual assault POS who got hailed as a hero by the government and made a millionaire all because he was shot paralysed.
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No one talks about how black people are killed more by other black people in crime ridden neighbourhoods
White people commit more crime against white people as well. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls According to the FBI stats, white people commit crime against black people at a higher rate than black people commit crime against white people. Go out and protest about white on white crime if you want, who’s stopping you?

Several prominent BLM founders/leaders have been caught spending donations on hookers, houses, and for their own personal enjoyment. The idea is a good one, but is exploited by crooked people with an agenda.
Who are you talking about? There was the story about Patrisse Cullors recently buying a house but no proof she used BLM donations for it. She’s a college professor, author, producer and has had some personal commercial deals - she has her own money. The stories in the news admitted that they didn’t know if she received any money from BLM and most of the criticism she had was about her values, advocating for BLM and buying a home in a white neighbourhood for example. The articles were suggestive but didn’t provide and facts to back up their suggestions. That story alone is a perfect example of crooked people exploiting an agenda.
 
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I really hope that the guilty verdict leads to more positive change at an institutional level and a change in police practice. Finding one man guilty of murder means nothing unless changes are actively made at a higher level.
 
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(1)BLM isn’t about creating a false narrative that every single block person in the world is innocent. It’s about protesting against the structural inequalities in society that lead to black people living in poorer neighbourhoods, being less likely to have access to a good education, being less likely to be employed for a job, being more likely to die in childbirth, being disproportionately killed by police for no good reason, and so much more. It’s about recognising systemic racism and making noise about it until the systems are reformed(2). To do everything we can to not be complicit in this racism. People do talk about crime in black neighbourhoods because it is the knock on effect of black people being treated poorly by every crevice of society and feeling like they have no other option but to turn to crime(3). But for black people, it is no more significant than white on white crime. They’re not committing crimes on each other because they don’t think black lives matter, they’re doing it because a lot of the time, black people live in predominantly black neighbourhoods(4). The same way that if a white criminal lives in a majority white neighbourhood, the crimes are going to be white on white. There is no racial motive between white on white or black on black crime. It’s not a ‘gotcha’ moment to cherry pick situations in which a black person has taken another black persons life, or where a black person in a position of power abuses that power to say ‘BLM is a sham! They don’t even care about each other’s lives!’(5) because that’s not the point of the movement.
1- never said that.
2- That I agree with.
3- Where do they talk about it? the mainstream media doesn't seem to be talking about it, has BLM made videos where they have spoken about it?
4- Are you referring to the David Dorn murder (not sure if that was in a black neighbourhood) or black neighbourhoods with a high crime rate?
5- Well obviously there is no racial motive, but when leaders abuse their power for their own gain or go against the initiative/point of their movement by killing an individual they're supposed to stand for that is something worth talking about. When founders do things like this people are going to criticize them and it is going to negatively impact the organization and people will question that organization's legitimacy since they are the face/representative of it.

In the case of the David Dorn murder, it is worth talking about as well. Now is BLM a sham? well I see it as one, but wether you believe it's a sham or not, it's completely dishonest to paint an organization as without flaws when some members misbehave. By calling out those "cherry picked" cases, you can create a more effective organization and those millions of dollars some of the founders have used to buy multiple houses in white neighborhoods, can actually be put to good use instead of going in their pockets.

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Lol I don't care, being a digital rapist who's paralysed doesn't make him a saint or a hero.

White people commit more crime against white people as well. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls According to the FBI stats, white people commit crime against black people at a higher rate than black people commit crime against white people. Go out and protest about white on white crime if you want, who’s stopping you?
I brought that up because most people I know who style themselves as activists for social change never talk about it. If you're going to be an activist advocating for the black community, simply reposting the same stories as everyone else on social is lame. I don't pretend to be an activist, why should I go out and protest about white on white crime? it's not a comparison?

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Who are you talking about? There was the story about Patrisse Cullors recently buying a house but no proof she used BLM donations for it. She’s a college professor, author, producer and has had some personal commercial deals - she has her own money. The stories in the news admitted that they didn’t know if she received any money from BLM and most of the criticism she had was about her values, advocating for BLM and buying a home in a white neighbourhood for example. The articles were suggestive but didn’t provide and facts to back up their suggestions. That story alone is a perfect example of crooked people exploiting an agenda.
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- That's fair actually.
 
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1- never said that.
2- That I agree with.
3- Where do they talk about it? the mainstream media doesn't seem to be talking about it, has BLM made videos where they have spoken about it?
4- Are you referring to the David Dorn murder (not sure if that was in a black neighbourhood) or black neighbourhoods with a high crime rate?
5- Well obviously there is no racial motive, but when leaders abuse their power for their own gain or go against the initiative/point of their movement by killing an individual they're supposed to stand for that is something worth talking about. When founders do things like this people are going to criticize them and it is going to negatively impact the organization and people will question that organization's legitimacy since they are the face/representative of it.

In the case of the David Dorn murder, it is worth talking about as well. Now is BLM a sham? well I see it as one, but wether you believe it's a sham or not, it's completely dishonest to paint an organization as without flaws when some members misbehave. By calling out those "cherry picked" cases, you can create a more effective organization and those millions of dollars some of the founders have used to buy multiple houses in white neighborhoods, can actually be put to good use instead of going in their pockets.



Lol I don't care, being a digital rapist who's paralysed doesn't make him a saint or a hero.



I brought that up because most people I know who style themselves as activists for social change never talk about it. If you're going to be an activist advocating for the black community, simply reposting the same stories as everyone else on social is lame. I don't pretend to be an activist, why should I go out and protest about white on white crime? it's not a comparison?
I think when most people say 'Black Lives Matter', they're not endorsing a specific BLM organisation. We simply mean we agree with the sentiment that black lives matter and that the systems currently in place don't. The actions of a few organisers' questionable behaviour doesn't taint the movement or make it crooked in my opinion because I don't see BLM as a company. Most people wouldn't be able to name the random organisers of a specific sector of the movement in America. Not one person has painted the specific organisations within the BLM movement as perfect. Within all well-intentioned social justice movements, there will be people trying to cheat the system for their own gain. Does that invalidate initial message of the movement? For me, no. Most people don't belong to a specific organisation, we just agree with, and want to protest for the ideas in general. You talk about BLM as if there is one spokesperson that has to denounce the wrong doings of individual people to make sure that the movement is still valid. When you call BLM an agenda, are you saying you don't believe the issues that black people face in general to be true and that the movement exists to push a woke agenda, or are you saying that specific organisers in specific organisations have a motive?
 
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When you call BLM an agenda, are you saying you don't believe the issues that black people face in general to be true and that the movement exists to push a woke agenda, or are you saying that specific organisers in specific organisations have a motive?
The latter. I'm for the ideas behind the movement, not the organizations that represent them, and I don't like woke culture in general.
 
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Lol I don't care, being a digital rapist who's paralysed doesn't make him a saint or a hero.
It doesn’t entitle a police officer to paralyse him either. The courts are there to hand out punishment for crime; that’s 100% not the job of the police.

With the protest comment, I was more referring to your earlier point about there being no riots for the white police officer killed by a BLM protester. Why would BLM protest or riot over that? It’s not their cause. If white people wanted to protest or riot over it, they could have - no one was stopping them. That’s all I meant.
 
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It doesn’t entitle a police officer to paralyse him either. The courts are there to hand out punishment for crime; that’s 100% not the job of the police.

With the protest comment, I was more referring to your earlier point about there being no riots for the white police officer killed by a BLM protester. Why would BLM protest or riot over that? It’s not their cause. If white people wanted to protest or riot over it, they could have - no one was stopping them. That’s all I meant.
No it doesn't. But you can be of the opinion that he shouldn't have been made a hero and shouldn't have been shot. Are you talking about David Dorn? David Dorn was black. I never mentioned a white police officer killed by a BLM protester.
 
No it doesn't. But you can be of the opinion that he shouldn't have been made a hero and shouldn't have been shot. Are you talking about David Dorn? David Dorn was black. I never mentioned a white police officer killed by a BLM protester.
I agree with you. I don’t think Jacob Blake should be made a hero (although I’m not sure I agree with you that he has been hailed a hero either) and I also don’t think he should have been shot. But the fact of the matter is that he was shot and paralysed. I don’t disagree with people raising money for him so he can pay medical bills, adapt his home for a wheelchair or whatever other costs might need to be covered now as a result of something that shouldn’t have happened at the hands of a cop. If people want to donate, that’s up to them (like all the people, including police officers, who’ve donated to Kyle Rittenhouse’s fund to defend him for killing two people with a gun he wasn’t legally allowed to have).

I’d misunderstood your point before - sorry. Nonetheless, BLM are anti-police so it doesn’t matter what colour the officer was - I don’t think anyone should have expected them to march, protest or riot over any member of the police force.
 
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I agree with you. I don’t think Jacob Blake should be made a hero (although I’m not sure I agree with you that he has been hailed a hero either) and I also don’t think he should have been shot. But the fact of the matter is that he was shot and paralysed. I don’t disagree with people raising money for him so he can pay medical bills, adapt his home for a wheelchair or whatever other costs might need to be covered now as a result of something that shouldn’t have happened at the hands of a cop. If people want to donate, that’s up to them (like all the people, including police officers, who’ve donated to Kyle Rittenhouse’s fund to defend him for killing two people with a gun he wasn’t legally allowed to have).

I’d misunderstood your point before - sorry. Nonetheless, BLM are anti-police so it doesn’t matter what colour the officer was - I don’t think anyone should have expected them to march, protest or riot over any member of the police force.
Well I guess you'd have to clearly defined what being made a hero is, what I'm thinking is of Kamala harris coming to see him saying she's proud of him and how he's working through his pain, for example. Yeah he shouldn't have been paralyzed but to get a special visit from the vp? really? this guy?

See that last part is what I don't agree with.
 
"Last year, as state prosecutors prepared their case against Chauvin for the murder of Mr Floyd, they sought to introduce evidence relating to the 2017 arrest. According to a court filing, in that incident, a 14-year-old Black boy was reportedly slow to comply with officers’ instructions, so Chauvin allegedly grabbed him by the throat, forced him to the ground, and put a knee into his neck and back, kneeling on top of him for nearly 17 minutes as the boy complained he couldn’t breathe." - taken from an article in the Independent.
 
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"Last year, as state prosecutors prepared their case against Chauvin for the murder of Mr Floyd, they sought to introduce evidence relating to the 2017 arrest. According to a court filing, in that incident, a 14-year-old Black boy was reportedly slow to comply with officers’ instructions, so Chauvin allegedly grabbed him by the throat, forced him to the ground, and put a knee into his neck and back, kneeling on top of him for nearly 17 minutes as the boy complained he couldn’t breathe." - taken from an article in the Independent.
Wow. What a monster.
 
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I read that one of the jurors lied to the court - he had been on related protests and demonstrations /marches but said that he had not been.
Why has this not come out earlier? Maybe because people did research on the jury after the verdict?

There was another article that the defence lawyer complained about the huge publicity the case had and that it had impacted the jury.

Do you think there will be a retrial or something similar?
 
I read that one of the jurors lied to the court - he had been on related protests and demonstrations /marches but said that he had not been.
Why has this not come out earlier? Maybe because people did research on the jury after the verdict?

There was another article that the defence lawyer complained about the huge publicity the case had and that it had impacted the jury.

Do you think there will be a retrial or something similar?

I find it hard to believe that both the prosecution and defence teams didn't know about that juror. They pay huge amounts of money to jury consultants to help them pick the 'right' jury, which is why jury selection takes so long (as each team gets to veto the people they don't want I believe)


But yes, pre trial publicity is a huge issue for me personally. I'm not sure if a change of venue was requested or granted but it wouldn't have helped anyway given the worldwide interest in this case - I don't know where you could try this case and find people who don't already have an opinion on it - and that alone could be reason enough for the verdict to be overturned and a new trial ordered in my opinion. I said earlier in the thread, I don't know how anyone can get a fair trial in the USA because of how their justice system works. It's all wrong.
 
I find it hard to believe that both the prosecution and defence teams didn't know about that juror. They pay huge amounts of money to jury consultants to help them pick the 'right' jury, which is why jury selection takes so long (as each team gets to veto the people they don't want I believe)


But yes, pre trial publicity is a huge issue for me personally. I'm not sure if a change of venue was requested or granted but it wouldn't have helped anyway given the worldwide interest in this case - I don't know where you could try this case and find people who don't already have an opinion on it - and that alone could be reason enough for the verdict to be overturned and a new trial ordered in my opinion. I said earlier in the thread, I don't know how anyone can get a fair trial in the USA because of how their justice system works. It's all wrong.
Interesting, I didn't know the job "jury consultant" existed.

Do you think there will be a retrial or something like that?
What consequences might that have?
 
Interesting, I didn't know the job "jury consultant" existed.

Do you think there will be a retrial or something like that?
What consequences might that have?
Don't worry, I only know because I read a lot of John Grisham 🤣😂 (true story)

But I think there could be grounds for an appeal. I've just checked and the judge denied a request for a change of venue from the defence before the trial started - he basically said what I said as in he couldn't think of anywhere to try the case in Minneapolis that wouldn't have heard about it. That together with the pre trial publicity will definitely be used in an appeal I think. Pretty much every defence lawyer in the USA lodges an appeal with a murder conviction as standard. But the implications of the juror attending BLM protests and not declaring it, if true, could well be another factor for an appeal. I would also add in the fact they publicly announced the civil settlement right in the middle of jury selection, which left me incredulous, and that the jury wasn't sequestered as well.

If granted, I believe Chavin's conviction would be quashed and the prosecution would have to decide if they wanted to try him again (which they definitely will)
 
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Don't worry, I only know because I read a lot of John Grisham 🤣😂 (true story)

But I think there could be grounds for an appeal. I've just checked and the judge denied a request for a change of venue from the defence before the trial started - he basically said what I said as in he couldn't think of anywhere to try the case in Minneapolis that wouldn't have heard about it. That together with the pre trial publicity will definitely be used in an appeal I think. Pretty much every defence lawyer in the USA lodges an appeal with a murder conviction as standard. But the implications of the juror attending BLM protests and not declaring it, if true, could well be another factor for an appeal. I would also add in the fact they publicly announced the civil settlement right in the middle of jury selection, which left me incredulous, and that the jury wasn't sequestered as well.

If granted, I believe Chavin's conviction would be quashed and the prosecution would have to decide if they wanted to try him again (which they definitely will)
Interesting. Makes sense what you say.

Great user name btw :)
 
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