The implication here is that stuff that makes people potentially uncomfortable and feel like complete outsiders in their own country is fine as long as it's not outwardly racist
Bit of a yikes
The implication here is that stuff that makes people potentially uncomfortable and feel like complete outsiders in their own country is fine as long as it's not outwardly racistContext is key and I don't believe that going down the road of trying to find racism in every little thing is healthy.
Seriously? That's not what I meant at all, I said context is key. Badgering someone about where they're 'really from' is obviously not a good thing. Taking an interest in heritage is another. Making them feel like a weirdo for being different is also not a good thing. Complimenting them on nice features or hair is fine surely.The implication here is that stuff that makes people potentially uncomfortable and feel like complete outsiders in their own country is fine as long as it's not outwardly racist
Bit of a yikes
Regarding the last paragraph, that's what I was trying to get at in one of my first posts in the thread- teach history by all means but not as a tool to divide people.I think institutional racism does happen just as institutional sexism does happen. But CRT theorists like Robin Diangelo basically say that white people are always trying to uphold white supremacy and will always be racist. It's like original sin in the bible - humans are born bad.
I think it's not true, I think it's divisive and I think it's an unhealthy way to think. If we applied CRT concepts to sex, I think patriarchy exists and oppresses women but I don't think every single man in my life is oppressing me. I mean, some have obviously, but some men in my life have been there for me in my worst moments. Conversely, I've been horrifically bullied by other women.
This lady's story is interesting as she found that seeing life through the lens of CRT to be really psychologically damaging because she interpreted everything as having to be racism. If someone didn't hold a door for her or a cashier was rude or whatever the CRT answer was this is white supremacy, not the cashier hating their job or someone being self-centered.
However, there are some things that that I'm all totally for. E.g I think we need to do more in the UK about teaching about empire and the atrocities the UK committed, about the slave trade etc. I am also all for including non-european history, philosophy etc on curriculums and totally up for literature by more diverse authors being included in reading lists. While I read that race report commissioned by the tories with an open mind, I was not impressed by the fact that the authors seemed to think that what was needed was a patriotic education telling positive stories. Sometimes the most patriotic thing to do is to be able to own up to past mistakes. Germany teaches the third reich and the holocaust, why should we avoid learning about things like the Amritsar massacre?
White people didn't start slavery. The history of slavery spans many cultures, nationalities, and religions from ancient times to the present day. Cough, cough present day African continent and Middle East still having it.I think institutional racism does happen just as institutional sexism does happen. But CRT theorists like Robin Diangelo basically say that white people are always trying to uphold white supremacy and will always be racist. It's like original sin in the bible - humans are born bad.
I think it's not true, I think it's divisive and I think it's an unhealthy way to think. If we applied CRT concepts to sex, I think patriarchy exists and oppresses women but I don't think every single man in my life is oppressing me. I mean, some have obviously, but some men in my life have been there for me in my worst moments. Conversely, I've been horrifically bullied by other women.
This lady's story is interesting as she found that seeing life through the lens of CRT to be really psychologically damaging because she interpreted everything as having to be racism. If someone didn't hold a door for her or a cashier was rude or whatever the CRT answer was this is white supremacy, not the cashier hating their job or someone being self-centered.
However, there are some things that that I'm all totally for. E.g I think we need to do more in the UK about teaching about empire and the atrocities the UK committed, about the slave trade etc. I am also all for including non-european history, philosophy etc on curriculums and totally up for literature by more diverse authors being included in reading lists. While I read that race report commissioned by the tories with an open mind, I was not impressed by the fact that the authors seemed to think that what was needed was a patriotic education telling positive stories. Sometimes the most patriotic thing to do is to be able to own up to past mistakes. Germany teaches the third reich and the holocaust, why should we avoid learning about things like the Amritsar massacre?
Yes, I am aware of the complex history of the slave trade and how a range of people, including African nations, were complicit. But other countries committing genocide doesn't mean Germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust.White people didn't start slavery. The history of slavery spans many cultures, nationalities, and religions from ancient times to the present day. Cough, cough present day African continent and Middle East still having it.
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It's not that germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust but they should learn that they weren't the only ones who've historically committed atrocities?Yes, I am aware of the complex history of the slave trade and how a range of people, including African nations, were complicit. But other countries committing genocide doesn't mean Germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust.
Regarding Sati, it's important to note that there were Indian people who fought against that also:
Yes I am aware that Indians were also involved in the abolishment of Sati. South Asian here.Yes, I am aware of the complex history of the slave trade and how a range of people, including African nations, were complicit. But other countries committing genocide doesn't mean Germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust.
Regarding Sati, it's important to note that there were Indian people who fought against that also:
Yes, I would agree with statement.It's not that germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust but they should learn that they weren't the only ones who've historically committed atrocities?
Sorry, it wasn't my intention to infer that the British Empire had. I mean, it may have, but I am not well versed enough about the British Empire in each country it colonized to say.Yes I am aware that Indians were also involved in the abolishment of Sati. South Asian here.
But no, the British Empire didn't commit 'genocide.' That's a broad brush to paint the entire legacy of the British Empire with.
UK DID own up to its shit. What other empires do you know in history that still offers business, education and trade opportunities via the Commonwealth? Britain also offered citizenship to many of its colonies' citizens upto a certain time. Heck, Britain even offered citizenship to many Hong Kong protesters too.Yes, I would agree with statement.
Sorry, it wasn't my intention to infer that the British Empire had. I mean, it may have, but I am not well versed enough about the British Empire in each country it colonized to say.
I just mean to say, just because other countries have been shit, doesn't mean the UK shouldn't own up to it's shit.
History tends to focus on both the good and the bad, and the problem with history in schools right now is that the ones focused on Britain only focus on the good, the mention of anything bad is ignored completely . Even Britain's role in the slave trade tends to be downplayed a bit and the majority of it falls onto AmericaUK was one of the first countries to abolish slavery way before US. Yes, the British empire did some atrocities but so did every other empire in history. Colonialism is not equal to Nazism.
I honestly think no school around the world is mentioning about the slavery in Middle East, Africa and China (Uyghurs et al).History tends to focus on both the good and the bad, and the problem with history in schools right now is that the ones focused on Britain only focus on the good, the mention of anything bad is ignored completely . Even Britain's role in the slave trade tends to be downplayed a bit and the majority of it falls onto America
The history of the British Empire should be more taught in schools than it is - that's all I'm saying. It certainly wasn't in the schools I went to as a kid.UK DID own up to its shit. What other empires do you know in history that still offers business, education and trade opportunities via the Commonwealth? Britain also offered citizenship to many of its colonies' citizens upto a certain time. Heck, Britain even offered citizenship to many Hong Kong protesters too.
The British government paid reparations totaling £20 million (equivalent to some £300 billion in 2018) to slave owners when it abolished slavery in 1833. Banking magnates Nathan Mayer Rothschild and his brother-in-law Moses Montefiore arranged for a loan to the government of $15 million to cover the vast sum – which represented almost half of the U.K. governent’s annual expenditure.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837
Is this NOT enough?
This is a political issue that would be discussed in political classes more. You cannot counter failure to react to current events, which will no doubt will be discussed by historians one day in a lot more detail than they are now, and failure of the education system to give a fairer view of colonialismWe are heavily blaming the West for colonialism when we must actively sound the alarm about current day atrocities happening right now but oh well, white man bad.
Who wouldn't want to 'pull away' from herSecond is an update from clown world.
imagine saying this the other way around..Second is an update from clown world.
Well exactly. She's pushing people away who agree with racial equality because they're a different colour to her. It makes no sense at all.imagine saying this the other way around..
the one part of that video I agree with is that some people are faking that they're for racial equality and other social issues, for example woke bros who just pretend, to go with the flow. But that's it.Well exactly. She's pushing people away who agree with racial equality because they're a different colour to her. It makes no sense at all.
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