The implication here is that stuff that makes people potentially uncomfortable and feel like complete outsiders in their own country is fine as long as it's not outwardly racist
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Seriously? That's not what I meant at all, I said context is key. Badgering someone about where they're 'really from' is obviously not a good thing. Taking an interest in heritage is another. Making them feel like a weirdo for being different is also not a good thing. Complimenting them on nice features or hair is fine surely.The implication here is that stuff that makes people potentially uncomfortable and feel like complete outsiders in their own country is fine as long as it's not outwardly racist
Bit of a yikes
Regarding the last paragraph, that's what I was trying to get at in one of my first posts in the thread- teach history by all means but not as a tool to divide people.
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White people didn't start slavery. The history of slavery spans many cultures, nationalities, and religions from ancient times to the present day. Cough, cough present day African continent and Middle East still having it.
UK was one of the first countries to abolish slavery way before US. Yes, the British empire did some atrocities but so did every other empire in history. Colonialism is not equal to Nazism.
What most people don't realise or have read is that the British Empire did a lot of great things like try and abolish Sati in India (widow burning on a pyre) and the caste system which was very backward and had a history of abuse. Through Commonwealth scholarships and other education, the empire has uplifted a lot of people for decades.
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Yes, I am aware of the complex history of the slave trade and how a range of people, including African nations, were complicit. But other countries committing genocide doesn't mean Germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust.White people didn't start slavery. The history of slavery spans many cultures, nationalities, and religions from ancient times to the present day. Cough, cough present day African continent and Middle East still having it.
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Regarding Sati, it's important to note that there were Indian people who fought against that also:
Raja Ram Mohan Roy - Wikipedia
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It's not that germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust but they should learn that they weren't the only ones who've historically committed atrocities?Yes, I am aware of the complex history of the slave trade and how a range of people, including African nations, were complicit. But other countries committing genocide doesn't mean Germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust.
Regarding Sati, it's important to note that there were Indian people who fought against that also:
Raja Ram Mohan Roy - Wikipedia
Yes I am aware that Indians were also involved in the abolishment of Sati. South Asian here.Yes, I am aware of the complex history of the slave trade and how a range of people, including African nations, were complicit. But other countries committing genocide doesn't mean Germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust.
Regarding Sati, it's important to note that there were Indian people who fought against that also:
Raja Ram Mohan Roy - Wikipedia
But no, the British Empire didn't commit 'genocide.' That's a broad brush to paint the entire legacy of the British Empire with.
If you going to refer to the Bengal famine during WWII, it was a lie. https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/masani-bengal-famine/
Yes, I would agree with statement.
Sorry, it wasn't my intention to infer that the British Empire had. I mean, it may have, but I am not well versed enough about the British Empire in each country it colonized to say.
I just mean to say, just because other countries have been tit, doesn't mean the UK shouldn't own up to it's tit.
UK DID own up to its tit. What other empires do you know in history that still offers business, education and trade opportunities via the Commonwealth? Britain also offered citizenship to many of its colonies' citizens upto a certain time. Heck, Britain even offered citizenship to many Hong Kong protesters too.
The British government paid reparations totaling £20 million (equivalent to some £300 billion in 2018) to slave owners when it abolished slavery in 1833. Banking magnates Nathan Mayer Rothschild and his brother-in-law Moses Montefiore arranged for a loan to the government of $15 million to cover the vast sum – which represented almost half of the U.K. governent’s annual expenditure.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837
Is this NOT enough?
History tends to focus on both the good and the bad, and the problem with history in schools right now is that the ones focused on Britain only focus on the good, the mention of anything bad is ignored completely . Even Britain's role in the slave trade tends to be downplayed a bit and the majority of it falls onto America
I honestly think no school around the world is mentioning about the slavery in Middle East, Africa and China (Uyghurs et al).
We are heavily blaming the West for colonialism when we must actively sound the alarm about current day atrocities happening right now but oh well, white man bad.
The history of the British Empire should be more taught in schools than it is - that's all I'm saying. It certainly wasn't in the schools I went to as a kid.
This is a political issue that would be discussed in political classes more. You cannot counter failure to react to current events, which will no doubt will be discussed by historians one day in a lot more detail than they are now, and failure of the education system to give a fairer view of colonialism
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An edit for a less rushed reply that's actually relevant to what I quoted
Politicians have a variety of jobs and fortunately that means they can focus on more than one issue at a given time
I too wish they focused more on China, and I will also say that they have made very light hearted attempts to debate and tackle the issue a bit but it's not enough. That doesn't however mean that they also can't focus on education or racism, things which are probably going to affect more of their electorate than global policy
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The first video is meant to be satire but how accurate it was.
Second is an update from clown world.
Second is an update from clown world.
Interesting discussion here. Not related to CRT but more to woke-ism.
Are the arts in crisis? This is the question raised by the case of Winston Marshall, a musician recently in the chart-topping band Mumford and Sons. Marshall found himself ‘cancelled’ earlier this year for recommending the book of prominent Right-wing journalist Andy Ngo discussing his dealings with the radical Left militant group, ANTIFA.
Are the arts in crisis? This is the question raised by the case of Winston Marshall, a musician recently in the chart-topping band Mumford and Sons. Marshall found himself ‘cancelled’ earlier this year for recommending the book of prominent Right-wing journalist Andy Ngo discussing his dealings with the radical Left militant group, ANTIFA.
Saw this on Twitter and I fully agree. When we're told that it's racism to compliment someones hair it just makes a mockery of what racism actually is
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? Just imagine saying this the other way around..
Well exactly. She's pushing people away who agree with racial equality because they're a different colour to her. It makes no sense at all.
Also what are accomplices? She is a perfect example of where critical theory has gone wrong
the one part of that video I agree with is that some people are faking that they're for racial equality and other social issues, for example woke bros who just pretend, to go with the flow. But that's it.