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Not to sound like a right manipulative witch now, but if she did use him to any extent to have a baby, if she didn't know about his addictions and mental health issues, he wasn't a bad call. On paper they should work.

They have similar friends, are in the same industry so they know how it works, both appeared to have a self depreciating sense of humour and so forth.

Yes he was young, well younger than her anyway, but if he was willing, he was handsome, talented, affluent, charitable, loved his family, again on paper he'd be perfect. (Obviously that's based on her not being aware of any of his demons).

Likely he felt far more mature than he actually was, fresh out of 1D feeling all grown up, the world at his feet still but at the same time probably craving some stability.

I just hate the perception that she's used him or tricked him to make a baby, just because in basic biology he'd have needed to have been somewhat willing, and he'd been an adult for 5 years, well aware of the risks of unprotected sex.

Even if she did use him, trick him etc, I'm sure he wouldn't have changed a thing as he wouldn't have his son.

Reportedly his family are really fond of her, would you really be so fond of the woman who's screwed your son over?
Agree,

But being so up cowells ass as she was at the time and Liam being managed by cowell & modest at time I think she did know of any issues he had at that time. She also spent a lot of time with him in LA studios for her album so I do think she was around him and new. He might have agreed and wanted a baby but she could also have easily not taken a pill or something. We will never know the true story. As for his family they seem super sweet and as she's the mother of their grandchild/nephew I doubt they would dislike her. Even if they thought she wasn't good in begining I'm sure they would put that aside for liam & bears sake. Some people have no hate in their heart and make the best of any situation. None of them have even said bad about Maya either. The dad doesn't even speak bad of roger, he only stated that he was part of a care circle and acting as liams manager. That makes me wonder if they were trying to do an unofficial conservatorship by making a care circle - these days and being British it is not so easy to section someone or get a conservatorship so I wonder if family made a care circle as their way of ensuring Liam was ok and hopefully preventing him from doing something or harming himself or accidentally overdosing. Sadly a catalogue of errors on that fateful day led to his sad passing and im sure the what ifs/if onlys haunts his family 😞
 
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Not to sound like a right manipulative witch now, but if she did use him to any extent to have a baby, if she didn't know about his addictions and mental health issues, he wasn't a bad call. On paper they should work.

They have similar friends, are in the same industry so they know how it works, both appeared to have a self depreciating sense of humour and so forth.

Yes he was young, well younger than her anyway, but if he was willing, he was handsome, talented, affluent, charitable, loved his family, again on paper he'd be perfect. (Obviously that's based on her not being aware of any of his demons).

Likely he felt far more mature than he actually was, fresh out of 1D feeling all grown up, the world at his feet still but at the same time probably craving some stability.

I just hate the perception that she's used him or tricked him to make a baby, just because in basic biology he'd have needed to have been somewhat willing, and he'd been an adult for 5 years, well aware of the risks of unprotected sex.

Even if she did use him, trick him etc, I'm sure he wouldn't have changed a thing as he wouldn't have his son.

Reportedly his family are really fond of her, would you really be so fond of the woman who's screwed your son over?
When we say "tricked him" or "used him" I don't think people mean graped or stole his sperm rather Cheryl knew it wasn't likely (or gave little thought) to it working long term...

Boys mature later than girls and all I can say is when I was 16 I thought my boyfriend at the time and me would be together forever and I'd be married to him by 21 and having kids at 22 yet we split up when I was 18 🤣,

When Liam got with Cheryl at 21 I reckon he thought the same TBF that he'd get old with Cheryl....but rather than Cheryl giving him 4/5 years time to mature and check the relationship was solid and that they were compatible as adults, which would have still only took her to about 37/38 (her mate kimba had her youngest baby at 40 so still would have been time) she just seen her chance at her want for an instant baby based on Liam's longing for the happy ever after. I think she knew after Jean Bernard tbh that she'd gave up on love and all she wanted was to fulfil her desire to be a mother and Liam offered that as he believed in the fairytale (when she likely secretly didn't) that's what I take people to mean when they say she manipulated or used him
 
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Fully agree with everything - I definitely see it as either being a transactional deal between him & Cheryl or an older wiser woman manipulating a situation and young impressionable guy because she was desperate for a baby.

Never sat right with me either, had she met him for first time when he was 20+ and her 30+ then it would be different, I personally still wouldn't go there myself but it wouldn't be too bad of a situationship or relationship in those circumstances. But the fact she met him at 14, contrary to what people say about her having nothing to do with him again until they together when he was 21/22, she did in fact have plenty to do with him throughout the years - his 1st time on XFactor he made it to judges house so she would have seen him around the studios. 2nd XFactor stint he was only 16 and was put in 1D and made it to live shows and age definitely had plenty to do with him & the whole band throughout the show, she even mentored them for 1-2 weeks while Simon was ill. She then met them on & off throughout the years. In 2013/14 Liam remixed some songs on her album so they spent time together in LA studios, he was under DJ Payno and he is credited on some of her songs for her album. He was the 1st person she nominated for ice bucket challenge (I think she'd met and just married the french guy & Liam was with Sophia as he then nominated her for the challenge) so Cheryl clearly had more to do in his life than just meeting him at 14, 16 then again at 21 when they started dating. I don't think she was a groomer in the Philip Schofield sense, I really don't think she saw him at 14 & 16 and had any feelings towards him then in anyway other than thinking he was cute & another Bieber. She was with Ashley those times. She had the sense & knowledge to know what Liam was going through with the band break up, he was known to have anxiety etc issues and alcohol issues and I think given the age difference and power imbalance as she had lived her solo career, TV career etc over him who was just restarting over again she should have had the common sense to not have a baby with him but I think selfishly she didn't think and just wanted to finally be a mum. What better guy to choose than him - easily manipulated, easily bossed and super rich & famous so she and their child would be set up for life and she could also maintain some form of celebrity life being forever linked to a 1D member. All those saying she has her own money - yes she does but no where in the region of what is said = £40mil, no chance. She was 1/5 of a girlband popular in UK only, they aren't really popular outside of uk. Never wrote their own songs (where the money is made, singing a song doesn't earn much, it's the writing & producing that earns the money), her L'Oréal & XFactor stints would bring in money but the magazine deals of the 90s/early 2000s dropped dramatically as social media became more prominent so the likes of her, other wags, Kerry K & Katie p were no longer earning 1mil a hello/ok spread. If Liam died leaving only £24mil despite 1D fame worldwide & being a writer of their songs plus being merchandised into every item possible and the royalties there is no way Cheryl has £40mil in assets, it probably won't even be 10mil. She will have a few million but no way near as much as people think. Her fame & marketability is dwindling, XFactor was going downhill and the celeb world is unkind to women ageing so she would not make much in future, having a baby with Liam has secured her & her mum's futures. Otherwise she would have had a baby with the 2nd husband, they were married and even if they split after the baby it wouldve been a better story for her image than to leave hubby no 2 and take up with a 11yrs her junior boybander she first met when he was only 14. But then the 2nd hubby wouldn't have let her control the parenting of their child, pretty sure he would've took her to court for 50/50 custody. There's a reason she didn't have her longed for baby with any of her exes who were more assertive and instead fell pregnant with Liam within months of dating.

I think she would have eventually left Ashley as she had her pride and he'd humiliated her too much. She was presented as a strong feisty independent woman so to continue staying with him would have ruined her image and I think she really micro-manages her image and controls it very fiercely. Had he not humiliated her so much I think she would have stayed & had a few babies with him. I think she loved him and the potential of being next posh & Becks, the wag lifestyle although I don't think she would have paraded any Cole babies publicly the way the Beckham's do, I think she would have kept the children private, although I don't think she have kept them as hidden away as she does Bear. I do wonder if her talking about IVF siblings for bear before COVID happened was her hoping to have Liam being part of it so bear had full siblings and I wonder if he said no and that's part of the reason she hasn't gone down the IVF sperm donor route, as it would be awkward to have bear who has a famous dad who supports him financially then have 1-2 more children via sperm bank who wouldn't have a dad supporting them financially or visiting them.

My friend has sent me a screenshot that shows Liam's probate administration file as registered in Newcastle. Wonder why she's using there to register when she's lived in bucks all of bears life? As much as she's bears mum I do wish his family had more input in it and registering instead as they helped support him his whole life & deeply cared for him his whole life. She should have some say and control over the protection of bears trust fund but for her to have all control and register in Newcastle instead of bucks or Wolverhampton seems odd.
There aren't regional Probate Registries anymore. Most applications are now processed from Harlow as they can be made online. This would have been a paper application and is therefore processed by Newcastle
 
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When we say "tricked him" or "used him" I don't think people mean graped or stole his sperm rather Cheryl knew it wasn't likely (or gave little thought) to it working long term...

Boys mature later than girls and all I can say is when I was 16 I thought my boyfriend at the time and me would be together forever and I'd be married to him by 21 and having kids at 22 yet we split up when I was 18 🤣,

When Liam got with Cheryl at 21 I reckon he thought the same TBF that he'd get old with Cheryl....but rather than Cheryl giving him 4/5 years time to mature and check the relationship was solid and that they were compatible as adults, which would have still only took her to about 37/38 (her mate kimba had her youngest baby at 40 so still would have been time) she just seen her chance at her want for an instant baby based on Liam's longing for the happy ever after. I think she knew after Jean Bernard tbh that she'd gave up on love and all she wanted was to fulfil her desire to be a mother and Liam offered that as he believed in the fairytale (when she likely secretly didn't) that's what I take people to mean when they say she manipulated or used him
Exactly, well put, she moved on and got pregnant quickly after her divorce (as I recall!). I believe she and Liam were in a relationship but a brief one to serve her purpose. Even her talking about using a sperm donor to make a sibling for bear reflects the fact she probably doesn’t see strong father figures as essential in children’s lives.
The fact he didn’t want his son to be called Bear but basically didn’t get a say in it ‘she decided he was going to be called bear’ says a lot.
 
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Omg I always forget about one true voice the boyband from the rivals show 😅

Cheryl fit the group with Nadine, Nicola, Sarah & kimberly. She was weakest link vocally - Nadine & Nicola are the voices, Sarah can hold a tune and so can kimberly but Cheryl is tone deaf and needs auto tune & help to sing. Lookswise she is beautiful but so are the other girls and dancing wise she is phenomenal but GA were great for the songs they put out and cheryl was good with the other 4 propping her up vocally. As a solo artist if it weren't for GA Cheryl fans, chum shippers, bleep cowell, XFactor & Will.i.ams infatuation with her she wouldn't have gotten the hit singles and got as far as she did. It also helped her in her day that social media was new and not as prominent then, we were drip fed by the press and MTV shows and only had what they would present to us and she was heavily presented & promoted. These days with YouTube, tik tok etc making unknown people famous she would not have the same career now if she was setting out now compared to when she was releasing music. She got very lucky umpteen times in life - getting on popstars show - getting a place in the band - wag fame - public sympathy - became cowells puppet - will.i.am producing - labelled nations sweetheart by press - nasty behaviour hidden away - 1D hiatus and Liam being available for dating - getting pregnant.

Her behaviour In GA videos was awful at times, remember the stylist incident when she moans to Nadine, she's absolutely vile the way she talks to and about the stylist. Also her moaning about their tour manager or someone arranging a sightseeing tour spot or something she's so dismissive of that too but instead of a "no thanks" she's just awful the way she talks about it.
I wonder what stylist that is? I worked with a stylist that had worked with GA and she told me Cheryl was the bitchiest and Sarah the nicest. My husband made final round for a role creative directing L’Oreal shoots and was told Cheryl is really difficult to work with.
 
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Exactly, well put, she moved on and got pregnant quickly after her divorce (as I recall!). I believe she and Liam were in a relationship but a brief one to serve her purpose. Even her talking about using a sperm donor to make a sibling for bear reflects the fact she probably doesn’t see strong father figures as essential in children’s lives.
The fact he didn’t want his son to be called Bear but basically didn’t get a say in it ‘she decided he was going to be called bear’ says a lot.
Theres tweets from her to someone who is a lesbian who tweeted about being sad that she would never able to carry her wife/partners child and cheryk replies saying she could use her wifes/partners egg and a sperm donor so would therefore be carrying their child and I think the person replies saying the father would not be around then and cheryl replies saying thats a bonus.

As for Bears name there is an interview or article that can googled and found where Liam really wanted a traditional name and wanted Arthur but she wanted an unusual name. Didn't they take to the very last minute to register him aswell, im sure they were potentially going to be fined for not registering on time. Bear is a nickname from Arthur so I don't understand how she couldn't compromise and reigster him as Arthur but call him Bear tor Arhur then Bear as middle name or Bear and Arthur as middle name that way he has both and he can choose when older if he wants Arthur or Bear. Bear Grey Payne is awful, doesn't roll of the tongue or go well in my opinion and why put Grey in there when '50 shades of Grey' was so popular at the time. Theres an interview with Cheryl and Simon where simon says he can't beileve they called him bear and cheryle replies something like well its better than an ordinary boring name like Arthur or Simon and pulls a disgusted face when saying it. Poor guy got no say in his own child in any way. She could have compromised and for someone who goes on about wanting him to have a normal life and not be famous like them when hes older why give him a stage name like Bear? He could blend in better at school as Arthur or another "normal" name.

 
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Theres tweets from her to someone who is a lesbian who tweeted about being sad that she would never able to carry her wife/partners child and cheryk replies saying she could use her wifes/partners egg and a sperm donor so would therefore be carrying their child and I think the person replies saying the father would not be around then and cheryl replies saying thats a bonus.

As for Bears name there is an interview or article that can googled and found where Liam really wanted a traditional name and wanted Arthur but she wanted an unusual name. Didn't they take to the very last minute to register him aswell, im sure they were potentially going to be fined for not registering on time. Bear is a nickname from Arthur so I don't understand how she couldn't compromise and reigster him as Arthur but call him Bear tor Arhur then Bear as middle name or Bear and Arthur as middle name that way he has both and he can choose when older if he wants Arthur or Bear. Bear Grey Payne is awful, doesn't roll of the tongue or go well in my opinion and why put Grey in there when '50 shades of Grey' was so popular at the time. Theres an interview with Cheryl and Simon where simon says he can't beileve they called him bear and cheryle replies something like well its better than an ordinary boring name like Arthur or Simon and pulls a disgusted face when saying it. Poor guy got no say in his own child in any way. She could have compromised and for someone who goes on about wanting him to have a normal life and not be famous like them when hes older why give him a stage name like Bear? He could blend in better at school as Arthur or another "normal" name.

Lets hope he is Bear Payne, as Bear Tweedy is even worse 🤣
 
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Theres tweets from her to someone who is a lesbian who tweeted about being sad that she would never able to carry her wife/partners child and cheryk replies saying she could use her wifes/partners egg and a sperm donor so would therefore be carrying their child and I think the person replies saying the father would not be around then and cheryl replies saying thats a bonus.

As for Bears name there is an interview or article that can googled and found where Liam really wanted a traditional name and wanted Arthur but she wanted an unusual name. Didn't they take to the very last minute to register him aswell, im sure they were potentially going to be fined for not registering on time. Bear is a nickname from Arthur so I don't understand how she couldn't compromise and reigster him as Arthur but call him Bear tor Arhur then Bear as middle name or Bear and Arthur as middle name that way he has both and he can choose when older if he wants Arthur or Bear. Bear Grey Payne is awful, doesn't roll of the tongue or go well in my opinion and why put Grey in there when '50 shades of Grey' was so popular at the time. Theres an interview with Cheryl and Simon where simon says he can't beileve they called him bear and cheryle replies something like well its better than an ordinary boring name like Arthur or Simon and pulls a disgusted face when saying it. Poor guy got no say in his own child in any way. She could have compromised and for someone who goes on about wanting him to have a normal life and not be famous like them when hes older why give him a stage name like Bear? He could blend in better at school as Arthur or another "normal" name.

Yeah I found that interview, its weird they couldn’t find a name they both liked.
 
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I wonder what stylist that is? I worked with a stylist that had worked with GA and she told me Cheryl was the bitchiest and Sarah the nicest. My husband made final round for a role creative directing L’Oreal shoots and was told Cheryl is really difficult to work with.
from 4.43 onwards is the stylist issue.... before that is the greece holiday and exploring that shes moaning about.

 
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Yeah I found that interview, its weird they couldn’t find a name they both liked.
I think Liam never found a cheryl name he liked and cheryl had no intention of listening to Liam's suggestions or liking them and lets face it Cheryl was never going to back down so Liam had to
 
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I wonder what stylist that is? I worked with a stylist that had worked with GA and she told me Cheryl was the bitchiest and Sarah the nicest. My husband made final round for a role creative directing L’Oreal shoots and was told Cheryl is really difficult to work with.
Lauren from Australia 😭 please don't tell me you don't know who that is! 😳

I seen recently she was actually related to another celebrity but I can't for the life of me remember who it was 🤭
 
Remember when she spoke badly about The Pussycat Dolls and mocked Nicole’s singing? The audacity coming from her when she can’t sing at all
 
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My opinion may not be popular here but I'm not keen on Cheryl at all. Like someone above said, she can be really bitchy like she was about the PCD and the nightclub incident. She always maintains that the assistant hit her first out of nowhere but that makes no sense and I know who I believe. A drunk woman whose known for violence or a nightclub toilet assistant just doing her job. She also openly admitted in her autobiography that she hit Ashley when she found out about his cheating, and I'm not excusing what Ashley did at all but there's no excuse to hit him unless it's in self defence. Imagine if Cheryl cheated and Ashley hit her, there would be an outcry.

She wanted that injunction which she got in 2011 and ever since, she has wanted to get into the limelight again whether it's working in theatre or flogging health pills or hair extensions. I used to feel sorry for her around the Ashley era as she was always saying how she regrets fame as she never gets peace and a break, especially from paps but now she has actively tried pushing herself back into the limelight.

I didn't like the way she treated Sarah and hardly wanted to know her until her cancer diagnosis (RIP Sarah) and suddenly the moment Sarah was unwell Cheryl, Kim and Nicola were acting like they were best friends and making it a little me me me. It rubbed me up the wrong way.

Not to mention the fact she first met Liam at 14, then met him again only when he was like, 16? When he went back again a few years later with 1D on X Factor and then she met him again to have a baby. That's weird imo. I'm not saying I don't have sympathy for her about Liam's death, especially having to explain to Bear about his dad dying. But I definitely believe she only got with Liam to have a baby as her bio clock was ticking, also knowing he was very very famous and rich having just come out of 1D and making it big with solo tracks. I mean look at what's just come out in the news, that part of Liam's estate or something will go to Cheryl and his money will all go to Bear. So that's Cheryl and Bear sorted for life now. It works out well for her.

I guess I lost sympathy and respect for her after the French guy and meeting Liam onwards. I definitely got controlling vibes from her French ex and felt for her with Ashley and Jean. I feel her life has never been the same since Ashley and he was always her one true love. But her behaviour as explained above has sort of rubbed me up the wrong way about her and I can guarantee she can be quite nasty when she wants to be. Someone further back in this thread said she was aggressive in a nightclub with them or the waitress or something years after the original club incident.
 
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Remember when she spoke badly about The Pussycat Dolls and mocked Nicole’s singing? The audacity coming from her when she can’t sing at all
oh i didnt know this or remember this, what was said? didnt she have a few fueds with other female celebs, was lily allen a fued aswell?
 
Yeah I found that interview, its weird they couldn’t find a name they both liked.
they also fought over what football team he would support, Liam said in a few interviews hes a west bromich albion fan but that she was wanting bear to support newcastle like her dad, he said it was going to be the battle of the grandads unless bear chose a different sport to be a fan off when older and choosing his own team, kinda sad as most kids follow their dads into supporting a footie team and eh was an avid fan, if she liked football it was basic or for the players and not because she was an avid fan so surely bears dad would and should have had more influence over what team kit ne would have bear wear and support and not his grandad on his mums side having the main influence. Honestly cheryl should have just went to a sperm bank to get bear, she could have had more like she wanted and dictated their whole lives, names, teams etc.
 
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My opinion may not be popular here but I'm not keen on Cheryl at all. Like someone above said, she can be really bitchy like she was about the PCD and the nightclub incident. She always maintains that the assistant hit her first out of nowhere but that makes no sense and I know who I believe. A drunk woman whose known for violence or a nightclub toilet assistant just doing her job. She also openly admitted in her autobiography that she hit Ashley when she found out about his cheating, and I'm not excusing what Ashley did at all but there's no excuse to hit him unless it's in self defence. Imagine if Cheryl cheated and Ashley hit her, there would be an outcry.

She wanted that injunction which she got in 2011 and ever since, she has wanted to get into the limelight again whether it's working in theatre or flogging health pills or hair extensions. I used to feel sorry for her around the Ashley era as she was always saying how she regrets fame as she never gets peace and a break, especially from paps but now she has actively tried pushing herself back into the limelight.

I didn't like the way she treated Sarah and hardly wanted to know her until her cancer diagnosis (RIP Sarah) and suddenly the moment Sarah was unwell Cheryl, Kim and Nicola were acting like they were best friends and making it a little me me me. It rubbed me up the wrong way.

Not to mention the fact she first met Liam at 14, then met him again only when he was like, 16? When he went back again a few years later with 1D on X Factor and then she met him again to have a baby. That's weird imo. I'm not saying I don't have sympathy for her about Liam's death, especially having to explain to Bear about his dad dying. But I definitely believe she only got with Liam to have a baby as her bio clock was ticking, also knowing he was very very famous and rich having just come out of 1D and making it big with solo tracks. I mean look at what's just come out in the news, that part of Liam's estate or something will go to Cheryl and his money will all go to Bear. So that's Cheryl and Bear sorted for life now. It works out well for her.

I guess I lost sympathy and respect for her after the French guy and meeting Liam onwards. I definitely got controlling vibes from her French ex and felt for her with Ashley and Jean. I feel her life has never been the same since Ashley and he was always her one true love. But her behaviour as explained above has sort of rubbed me up the wrong way about her and I can guarantee she can be quite nasty when she wants to be. Someone further back in this thread said she was aggressive in a nightclub with them or the waitress or something years after the original club incident.
what exactly was he injunction granted for? any bad press was no worse than other celebs get, she also courted publicity often - remember the cheesy ok mag deal with ashley? so how could she then complain and be granted such a super injuction? and one that has lasted this long too. I get maybe the courts granting her some privacy and asking press to back off but a whole super injuction? usually only celebs got them for hiding scandals & affairs not inconvenience to their lives or being unable to control their own public image. And why is it still going today?
 
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