It’s for child development rather than to benefit the parents. So that children from lower economic backgrounds are given access to early years education and provided with opportunities to socialise outside their immediate family that they might not otherwise have.
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Flowergirl14
VIP Member
I am very pleased to say that I now have found a full time permanent job.
I finally got money from UC the month before I got my job. But it took ages.
UC should be a safety blanket and not a way of life for those that can work.
bananabutter
VIP Member
Couldn’t agree more with this. The amount of childcare you get subsidised should depend on the hours you work.
I know someone who gets £2k plus her detached 3 bed house paid for. She’s never worked a day in her life and has birthed 3 kids. That’s not fair whilst I’m paying thousands in tax a month and saving like crazy so I can afford maternity.
The motability cars are not means tested though. You can only get them if you qualify for a high rate mobility payment (PIP or DLA) and you can either receive that payment in your bank to spend s you wish or use it towards a motability lease. Which is just a discounted lease scheme. And a huge business with a £4-5bn annual turnover.
So you could be working full time on a decent salary but still entitled to mobility payments and use them towards a motability lease.
whyhellothere83
VIP Member
A lot of these people will be complaining that ‘immigrants are stealing our jobs’, without ever worked a day in their life, just popping out 6 children instead. This doesn’t include disability benefits though, as you can’t help being disabled.
Crazy87
Well-known member
It really annoys me when I hear people saying about lazy people just wanting to claim benefits because they don’t want to work. Number 1: under universal credit (which a lot of people are being moved on too currently from the old benefits system) you will be forced to work if you can. I have a diagnoses of agoraphobia which I’ve had since 15 (now 37) I can’t go outside alone and even then it’s extremely difficult for me. I recently had to move over to universal credit due being told too. I’ve had to attend meetings, I’m probably going to have to have a medical and prove I’m not fit for work. Chances are I will be forced into work. Days of free loading on benefits are over and have been for a long time you don’t just get money handed to you anymore!! It’s not fair just to label everyone as lazy and benefit scroungers even people with genuine health problems are being forced to work!
just to add my mental health conditions were listed on my claim but I still have to see a work coach. Some days I can’t even walk around my house and the fear of being forced to work is causing me a lot of distress.
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just to add my mental health conditions were listed on my claim but I still have to see a work coach. Some days I can’t even walk around my house and the fear of being forced to work is causing me a lot of distress.
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how do you know she doesn’t have bpd? Sorry don’t want to seem rude but I’ve heard people say there’s nothing wrong with me. I have bpd and agoraphobia (I may appear to others I’m ok but that’s far from the truth)
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It is less than minimum wage. As a disabled person I get about £480 every 2 weeks. UC for a single person is less than £400 a month.
thegirlscout
VIP Member
What disability does your sister have?
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I’m a bit confused, you said in one breath she doesn’t have BPD but then says you’re not disputing her diagnosis of BPD.
Glaschelle
VIP Member
I think the problem is that there are a significant number of people in the UK who are incapable of work. Of following instructions, of deferring to people in authority, of dealing with stroppy customers, turning up on time and turning up every day they're scheduled to work.
Years ago, people with limited skills went to work in factories - boring, repetitive but you earned a good living. Those jobs are no longer available. Plus the whole turning up thing is now problematic.
So what can you do. We can't send people to work houses any more. So as a country we need to give them money to live. I do believe the benefits system has been cut to bare bones. There probably are some people who get more than they're entitled but there are always chancers
Just like there are millionaires who don't pay their fair share
Years ago, people with limited skills went to work in factories - boring, repetitive but you earned a good living. Those jobs are no longer available. Plus the whole turning up thing is now problematic.
So what can you do. We can't send people to work houses any more. So as a country we need to give them money to live. I do believe the benefits system has been cut to bare bones. There probably are some people who get more than they're entitled but there are always chancers
Just like there are millionaires who don't pay their fair share
purpleghost
Well-known member
It’s watching people on Instagram on their 3rd Disney world trip in as many years or 2nd holiday abroad in a month when you know none of them work and they claim benefits that gets me
Both me and hub work full time and can’t afford it, makes you feel like an absolute mug paying your own way
Both me and hub work full time and can’t afford it, makes you feel like an absolute mug paying your own way
Flowergirl14
VIP Member
I have worked for 35 years.. still battling the system to get Universal Credit.
3 mths in and nothing.
It is my first time dealing with DWP.
I find it hearbreaking.
I just want a little help until I find a job.
I really want to work!!
3 mths in and nothing.
It is my first time dealing with DWP.
I find it hearbreaking.
I just want a little help until I find a job.
I really want to work!!
LittleMy
VIP Member
Nobody on benefits alone is going on that many holidays a year, get real. She’s probably doing something dodgy on the side.
Such a problem with the benefits system. It should be less than NMW to encourage people back to work. I think it’s important to have a social system where people can get help but then they need to be working. Childcare is also a massive barrier because most nurseries cost more than NMW after any tax to send the kids there. It’s been proven that if the Gov subsidised nurseries the economy would benefit as more women could return to work.
20 holidays per year is not normal by most people’s standards, benefits or not. I doubt she’s paying for it from benefits without getting into serious debt or committing actual fraud based activities. So it’s nothing to be envious of.
Yeah I was going to say I don’t think anyone on benefits could afford those holidays every year on benefits alone. They are probably up to their eyeballs in debt.
Also even if you are on benefits, others are allowed to pay for you / buy you things eg grandparents.
I also think for those that genuinely can’t work due to disability or caring responsibilities, do people really think they should never be allowed to go on holiday? And often the reason many disabled people don’t work is not because they don’t want to, but because businesses won’t make the adjustments to support them. Many disabled people would love to have a job.
Also even if you are on benefits, others are allowed to pay for you / buy you things eg grandparents.
I also think for those that genuinely can’t work due to disability or caring responsibilities, do people really think they should never be allowed to go on holiday? And often the reason many disabled people don’t work is not because they don’t want to, but because businesses won’t make the adjustments to support them. Many disabled people would love to have a job.
purpleghost
Well-known member
I follow a woman who doesn’t work has several kids lives off benefits, she has an abroad holiday at least once a month, often more than once a month. She claims it’s saving money and being thrifty with her benefits but how can it be right that someone who doesn’t work can afford that but families who work full time can’t afford even one holiday per year no matter how thrifty we are.
She clearly gets so much that she can ‘be thrifty’ and afford a holiday every 2-3 weeks somewhere or other.
my family have to ‘be thrifty’ just to afford our basics like rent and food and bills
Sick of the ‘should they not have a holiday??’ argument, guess what we would all love a holiday let alone 20 holidays per year
She clearly gets so much that she can ‘be thrifty’ and afford a holiday every 2-3 weeks somewhere or other.
my family have to ‘be thrifty’ just to afford our basics like rent and food and bills
Sick of the ‘should they not have a holiday??’ argument, guess what we would all love a holiday let alone 20 holidays per year