2020 US Election - Trump vs Biden

[sundaeicecream]

I'm not a 'fan' but I am a supporter.
All politics are dirty by definition, but the Democrats are out in the open now.
Every stop was pulled out to prevent him being elected, and when nothing worked( partly because they didn't manage to turn enough black people against him) they went completely rogue.
The same party that founded the KKK is now funding BLM. The Democrats are the true racists, manipulating black voters whilst pretending to be the good guys.
The most crime ridden, lawless cities in the states are those run by the Dems.
Tbh, I stand by the Republicans, more or less whomever is at the helm. Trump is no better, or worse, than any politician, but the mindless frenzied bandwagon, being whipped up, purely to oust the Republicans is not intelligent, or beneficial, to the country, or peoples' souls.
Division has been carefully created.

Yes, the KKK flourished under the Democratic Party but it is most certainly not the current Democratic Party that stands today. There was a realignment with both parties in the 20th century. For example, the Republican Party founded by Abraham Lincoln is not the same Republican Party today. Also, keep in mind that David Duke and the current KKK have put in their support for Trump past (2016) and present (2020). The Taliban also endorsed Trump and Putin (amongst other authoritarians) also have voiced in favour of Trump. That is pretty alarming wherever you fall on the political spectrum.

It’s undeniable as someone who is not American, that Trump has greatly diminished America’s role in the world. Abroad most do not like him or respect him whatsoever. He has turned his back to America’s allies while cosying up to dictators around the world. He has rejected science and facts. He has rolled back regulations on environmental protections. The economy pre-covid was inherited from the previous administration. Trump did not improve the economy, it was given to him. He has invited violence and encouraged alt-right groups instead of condemning. He completely bungled on handling the pandemic. Point blank. He said COVID-19 was nothing to worry about. Which is ironic, considering he had access to the very best healthcare and round the clock treatment. Something most Americans do not have the luxury or privilege of ever receiving. Even if you had decent coverage you would not be able to get your hands on those medication and treatments if you took a turn for the worst.

There are a lot of great things about the United States but there are also not a lot of safety nets in place for the average American. Lack of affordable healthcare (paying premiums, deductibles, copays is not it), lack of affordable quality education, and lack of proper maternity/paternity leave. This pandemic has shown a lot of flaws that is wrong with the federal government and more particularly the current party in charge. Instead of providing relief for those who are unemployed, they are focusing on ramming through another Justice who doesn’t have the depth for that life long appointment and no less during the middle of an active election (last I checked many states are in the early voting process). The judicial branch was meant to be impartial not partisan.

 

[Carmen 6]

I'm sure people would say that if black people had all the power the last few millennia and ran the show almost exclusively. Some people are sick of old white men running the show and it is not racist to say so.

I'm afraid it is. To judge someone by the colour of their skin, rather than the content of their character, is racist.
Also, the show in the States, was previously run by a black man for eight years.

 

[Platypusfattypus]

I'm thinking there'd be a pretty hysterical reaction from certain quarters, if I said I liked a candidate 'mainly because they were not an old black man.'
How partisan is racism these days?

I don't think it's racist to like the fact there is a more diverse mix. I think it's what politics need. The more people feel they are represented the more people engage. If you want to put a racist spin on that then knock yourself out

 

[Carmen 6]

I don't think it's racist to like the fact there is a more diverse mix. I think it's what politics need. The more people feel they are represented the more people engage. If you want to put a racist spin on that then knock yourself out

If you read my post, it has nothing to do with 'a racist spin'.
My point was,if the comment contained the phrase 'old black man' the language police would be screaming 'racist'.
If you can't see my point, that's unfortunate.

 

[Platypusfattypus]

If you read my post, it has nothing to do with 'a racist spin'.
My point was,if the comment contained the phrase 'old black man' the language police would be screaming 'racist'.
If you can't see my point, that's unfortunate.

Depends on your view if it would be unfortunate

Yes, the KKK flourished under the Democratic Party but it is most certainly not the current Democratic Party that stands today. There was a realignment with both parties in the 20th century. For example, the Republican Party founded by Abraham Lincoln is not the same Republican Party today. Also, keep in mind that David Duke and the current KKK have put in their support for Trump past (2016) and present (2020). The Taliban also endorsed Trump and Putin (amongst other authoritarians) also have voiced in favour of Trump. That is pretty alarming wherever you fall on the political spectrum.

It’s undeniable as someone who is not American, that Trump has greatly diminished America’s role in the world. Abroad most do not like him or respect him whatsoever. He has turned his back to America’s allies while cosying up to dictators around the world. He has rejected science and facts. He has rolled back regulations on environmental protections. The economy pre-covid was inherited from the previous administration. Trump did not improve the economy, it was given to him. He has invited violence and encouraged alt-right groups instead of condemning. He completely bungled on handling the pandemic. Point blank. He said COVID-19 was nothing to worry about. Which is ironic, considering he had access to the very best healthcare and round the clock treatment. Something most Americans do not have the luxury or privilege of ever receiving. Even if you had decent coverage you would not be able to get your hands on those medication and treatments if you took a turn for the worst.

There are a lot of great things about the United States but there are also not a lot of safety nets in place for the average American. Lack of affordable healthcare (paying premiums, deductibles, copays is not it), lack of affordable quality education, and lack of proper maternity/paternity leave. This pandemic has shown a lot of flaws that is wrong with the federal government and more particularly the current party in charge. Instead of providing relief for those who are unemployed, they are focusing on ramming through another Justice who doesn’t have the depth for that life long appointment and no less during the middle of an active election (last I checked many states are in the early voting process). The judicial branch was meant to be impartial not partisan.

For such an "advanced" country the USA has some concerning stats. Maternity leave (or lack of) is one thing I can't believe. Their justice system and incarceration rates are worrying too. However its the election process which really baffles me, I don't see how it is representative. Then again we have fptp in the UK so perhaps not that much better

 

[Bette21]

What's the consensus on Kamala? The people around me don't like her at all (much less than Biden) but I may be in an echo chamber because most of us prefer Trump.

I wonder how the general public, and especially undecided voters, perceives her.

Kamala has a very smug, Meghan Markle energy about her that I just can't stand.

I don’t understand how you can call Kamala ‘smug’ and not Trump? A man who’s said things like:

"I'm the most successful person ever to run for the presidency, by far. Nobody's ever been more successful than me. I'm the most successful person ever to run. Ross Perot isn't successful like me. Romney - I have a Gucci store that's worth more than Romney."

Des Moines Register, 2/6/15

"I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge."

TIME, 14/4/

"I think Viagra is wonderful if you need it, if you have medical issues, if you've had surgery. I've just never needed it. Frankly, I wouldn't mind if there were an anti-Viagra, something with the opposite effect. I'm not bragging. I'm just lucky. I don't need it."

Playboy, October 2004

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."

23/1/16

So how come he can say this stuff and yet Kamala is smug because... of her face?

 

[svdwoodsen]

I don’t understand how you can call Kamala ‘smug’ and not Trump? A man who’s said things like:

"I'm the most successful person ever to run for the presidency, by far. Nobody's ever been more successful than me. I'm the most successful person ever to run. Ross Perot isn't successful like me. Romney - I have a Gucci store that's worth more than Romney."

Des Moines Register, 2/6/15

"I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge."

TIME, 14/4/

"I think Viagra is wonderful if you need it, if you have medical issues, if you've had surgery. I've just never needed it. Frankly, I wouldn't mind if there were an anti-Viagra, something with the opposite effect. I'm not bragging. I'm just lucky. I don't need it."

Playboy, October 2004

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."

23/1/16

So how come he can say this stuff and yet Kamala is smug because... of her face?

I'm not saying Trump isn't smug - he's definitely very proud of what he has accomplished and not shy about sharing that. But that doesn't negate the fact that Kamala seems very full of herself (even liberal publications made comments about her unnecessarily dramatic facial expressions during the debate) and in many ways, she hasn't accomplished nearly as much as Trump has in business or as other politicians have in the political sphere. The fact that she slept her way into her first political appointments in the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board, and then to the Medical Assistance Commission, makes me question her capabilities and her sense of self-importance doesn't help with that.

I honestly believe that if we weren't in the current environment, someone like her would not have been selected as the VP nominee. People hate Hillary but there's no doubt that she was highly qualified and capable, probably more so than most presidential candidates historically. The same cannot be applied to Kamala.

I'm afraid it is. To judge someone by the colour of their skin, rather than the content of their character, is racist.
Also, the show in the States, was previously run by a black man for eight years.

Race and gender should not be a factor when it comes to college admissions, employment opportunities, or presidential campaigns. People who wish to qualify for an opportunity may go through the regular channels and in an ideal world, the most qualified person should get the opportunity. To set different standards for people of different races or dismiss someone because of their skin color is absurd. If the most qualified person is a black woman, then she should get the position. If it happens to be white man, he shouldn't be pushed aside because "diversity purposes." Equal access to opportunity should absolutely exist but diversity for the sake of diversity and pushing otherwise qualified people aside doesn't make sense.

 

[Bette21]

I'm not saying Trump isn't smug - he's definitely very proud of what he has accomplished and not shy about sharing that. But that doesn't negate the fact that Kamala seems very full of herself (even liberal publications made comments about her unnecessarily dramatic facial expressions during the debate) and in many ways, she hasn't accomplished nearly as much as Trump has in business or as other politicians have in the political sphere. The fact that she slept her way into her first political appointments in the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board, and then to the Medical Assistance Commission, makes me question her capabilities and her sense of self-importance doesn't help with that.

I honestly believe that if we weren't in the current environment, someone like her would not have been selected as the VP nominee. People hate Hillary but there's no doubt that she was highly qualified and capable, probably more so than most presidential candidates historically. The same cannot be applied to Kamala.


Race and gender should not be a factor when it comes to college admissions, employment opportunities, or presidential campaigns. People who wish to qualify for an opportunity may go through the regular channels and in an ideal world, the most qualified person should get the opportunity. To set different standards for people of different races or dismiss someone because of their skin color is absurd. If the most qualified person is a black woman, then she should get the position. If it happens to be white man, he shouldn't be pushed aside because "diversity purposes." Equal access to opportunity should absolutely exist but diversity for the sake of diversity and pushing otherwise qualified people aside doesn't make sense.

and when you say she slept her way into her jobs, what about Jared Kushner? Did he sleep his way into his senior advisor position? And Ivanka, was she just born into being a senior advisor? Those jobs you refer to were back in the nineties, does that negate everything she’s worked for since?

 

[Caffeine Fiend]

Any black woman in any position of authority or power will always be labelled full of themselves or smug or angry, it’s what the media do. Michelle Obama got absolutely slaughtered by the media when Barack was campaigning.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janice...he-angry-black-woman-stereotype/#535ee0621fce

 

[totallytaz]

Twitter APOLOGIZES after Trump threatened to remove protections

Facebook and Twitter said on Wednesday it is 'reducing circulation' of the NY Post story which claims Joe Biden met with a Ukrainian businessman while he was Vice President.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Disgraceful and biased tactical-censoring on Twitter and Facebook.

 

[Smashbox]

Twitter APOLOGIZES after Trump threatened to remove protections

Facebook and Twitter said on Wednesday it is 'reducing circulation' of the NY Post story which claims Joe Biden met with a Ukrainian businessman while he was Vice President.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Disgraceful and biased tactical-censoring on Twitter and Facebook.

Disgraceful is right. They’ve been giving pro trump pages such a hard time too. One that I follow on Instagram
doesn’t even show up when i type them in!

 

[Carmen 6]

Twitter APOLOGIZES after Trump threatened to remove protections

Facebook and Twitter said on Wednesday it is 'reducing circulation' of the NY Post story which claims Joe Biden met with a Ukrainian businessman while he was Vice President.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Disgraceful and biased tactical-censoring on Twitter and Facebook.

Their bias is out in the open now.
Shameful.

 

[Pambo]

Their bias is out in the open now.
Shameful.

This story would've been headline news if it were Trump, but I didn't see a peep about it on Sky or the BBC. Not that I'm surprised. Nor surprised that anti-Trumpers couldn't give a tit.

I'm trying to stay out of it as these discussions drain me, and it annoys the hell out of me that I frequently find myself defending Trump via highlighting MSM bias and dishonesty, and questioning the rank propaganda that gets ever-so-righteously tossed out whenever it comes to Trump. I think it's the self-righteousness that triggers me more than the bullshit. The defenders of 'truth, good and justice' act more like a cross between the Stasi and Orwell's Winston Smith rewriting history, than the moral beacons of light they imagine themselves to be.

But anyway, as a related aside, I see the New York Times admits that there's no evidence Trump owes money to Russia.

Drawing attention to that probably makes me a goose-stepping Nazi, I know, but I found it interesting.

 

[Carmen 6]

This story would've been headline news if it were Trump, but I didn't see a peep about it on Sky or the BBC. Not that I'm surprised. Nor surprised that anti-Trumpers couldn't give a tit.

I'm trying to stay out of it as it these discussions drain me, and it annoys the hell out of me that I frequently find myself defending Trump via highlighting MSM bias and dishonesty, and questioning the rank propaganda that gets ever-so-righteously tossed out whenever it comes to Trump. I think it's the self-righteousness that triggers me more than the bullshit. The defenders of 'truth, good and justice' act more like a cross between the Stasi and Orwell's Winston Smith rewriting history, than the moral beacons of light they imagine themselves to be.

But anyway, as a related aside, I see the New York Times admits that there's no evidence Trump owes money to Russia.

Drawing attention to that probably makes me a goose-stepping Nazi, I know, but I found it interesting.

I think it speaks volumes, about the entitled immaturity of a proportion of anti Trumpers.
In the past, you could have been fiercely political about your chosen party/candidate, without resorting to death wishes, campaigns of abuse about the candidates family, floating mocking balloons, or carrying severed heads.
They campaigned, voters voted, and everyone accepted the result for the good of the country.
Now, the spoilt five year olds in adult bodies, throw themselves on the ground and scream for four years. Add to that that it's current to hate D.T. while conveniently ignoring the true vicious dictators in other countries, and you have the mess that is preventing us building a good future for everyone.

 

[Pambo]

This is the first mention of it that's appeared on the BBC as far as I'm aware, and as a Tech piece, not under the US Election: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims.

Interesting that the BBC refer to it as "controversial", something they never do with Trump hit-pieces, and ensure the reader is aware no meeting with a Ukrainian energy company representative and Joe Biden took place.

Fair enough. If the man's (official) schedules say it didn't, I accept that.

Except Biden's said his son never discussed his business activities with him and the email suggests otherwise, meeting or no meeting.

 

[Smashbox]

Did anyone see this interview? She comes across unhinged. The way she smiles when he talks about people using food banks and needing the money.

 

[Pambo]

Did anyone see this interview? She comes across unhinged. The way she smiles when he talks about people using food banks and needing the money.

That did not go well. She was just babbling, never answered a single question. Gets pressed and then accuses CNN of all channels of being Republican apologists(!) Four years of getting a pass from a friendly press and she has a meltdown when actually interviewed. That made Trump look coherent and informed.

And yeah, grinning like a Cheshire cat when speaking about the hardships of the American people. Jesus.

 

[Smashbox]

That did not go well. She was just babbling, never answered a single question. Gets pressed and then accuses CNN of all channels of being Republican apologists(!) Four years of getting a pass from a friendly press and she has a meltdown when actually interviewed. That made Trump look coherent and informed.

And yeah, grinning like a Cheshire cat when speaking about the hardships of the American people. Jesus.

I can’t believe she accused CNN of that what planet does she live on. The way she said,” have you fed them? We feed them, we feed them ” Mind you remember this is the same women who held up the check for small buisnesses before while boasting about her expensive range of ice creams from her 24000 fridge freezers.

 

[WickedWendy]

I'm afraid it is. To judge someone by the colour of their skin, rather than the content of their character, is racist.
Also, the show in the States, was previously run by a black man for eight years.

So we don't count 8 years out of how many?

 

[Carmen 6]

Did anyone see this interview? She comes across unhinged. The way she smiles when he talks about people using food banks and needing the money.

The President wants to start off by giving $1.8 trillion to those in need.
Nancy.... 'NOOO!!!!'