Lars Guinard

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So, her family think she is a victim, the government should be helping her to travel back to the UK, and they will bring her baby up, oh and they've hired a solicitor who has just gone on nationwide TV to tell the public how we should all feel about her (sympathetic) and compared her to a world war 1 soldier

What planet do these people live on? Unfortunately, its likely this treasonous snake will eventually be issued with a UK passport, but if her family think she will go unpunished and they can all live happily ever after bringing up a jihadists baby, I sincerely hope they aren't wasting the publics money lining the pockets of their absolute toss pot of a solictor
I am a British Muslim female with South Asian heritage. Being British, no matter what your ethnic background, affords you Privileges/rights that are not a given for much of the world. Owning a UK passport is not just a right due to birth, it is a promise to abide by set requirements, it is pride and a promise to respect being British.
I do not feel sympathetic. As, if there was not the ‘tugging at heartstrings’ and this had been a White,male, Muslim revert (like my husband) the reaction of many would be different...yet that ideology is the same. I am shocked at the comparison to a WWI soldier. This was the opposite of loyalty to ones country/patriotism or national service/conscription.
Not impressed with that solicitor.
 
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She shouldn’t be allowed back.

She’s been radicalised. She’s been out is Syria for years. She’s a threat to the UK now, let alone if she is on home soil.

She has said she only wants to come back to the UK for the free healthcare. She’s got some cheek!

She’s a criminal. A known member of a terrorist organisation. Why on earth would we even entertain allowing her back in?!

It’s ridiculous!
 
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burnskinetics

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She was ok with people being executed. The only thing she deserves is execution. Unfortunately our law doesn't permit her to be executed here so the most we can do is deny her a return.
 
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Deeznutslol

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This case is so crazy and I genuinely don’t know what to believe anymore.
I think the only solution really is for her to be tried and imprisoned for her crimes (if found guilty of any) in Syria, and then she should come back to the UK and be dealt with here.
Despite what she has done, I just can’t get my head around the idea of taking away the citizenship from a naturally born British citizen and leaving them stateless either. I don’t think it’s fair to make her the lifelong problem of any other country, she was born and radicalized in Britain, therefore she is Britain’s problem to deal with.
 
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NeverEnough

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As much as I don’t care for this ungrateful traitor and wouldn’t bat an eyelid if she rots, I think the fairest and best thing for everyone’s safety - both the public’s and Shamima’s - is for her to be locked up indefinitely in a UK prison. And if she is genuine, she’d jump at the chance. Just a couple problems with that. 1. I doubt she’s genuine or remorseful anyway, and 2. Once back on British soil, she and her legal team and her sympathizers/fans/do-gooders will campaign non stop for her release.

It seems that the UK is responsible for her (not that she deserves it)…I could be wrong here but think she can only get Bangladeshi citizenship if she applies for it and realistically the Bangladeshi government can and would reject her application.
If she doesn’t apply for Bangladeshi citizenship it’s neither here of there in a legal sense. At the time her UK citizenship was stripped she would qualify for Bangladeshi citizenship. She still would. Therefore by not applying she has rendered herself stateless by her own inaction and the UK bears no responsibility for her. If the Bangladesh government refuse to grant citizenship to someone qualified when she has no other options available it’s them who are in violation of international law not the UK.

Begum’s lawyers and whoever is funding them (I hope it’s not the tax payer) took this too the Supreme Court and it was found the government acted completely properly.

My understanding of the position that Begum has taken regarding her Bangladeshi citizenship is she is afraid of the death sentence. An entirely odd position to take for someone who expressed supreme confidence in her innocence. She has also expressed her desire for her day in court and I’m unclear as to why that day in court can only be in the UK. Surely any trial in Bangladesh would be under the system of Islamic law which would surely be her preference? Is she implying that any trial in Bangladesh would be unfair. What an odd position for a devout Muslim to take.

And why would any IS member (which she indisputably was) suddenly be squeamish about the death sentence given the organisations reputation for summary internet posted execution. I guess when it’s her life on the line her deeply held religious principles waver. One rule for the faithful, another for unbelievers? Sounds like a pretty textbook religious bigot to me. See also the ISIS Beatles.

The irony (hypocrisy is such an ugly word) of Shamima Begum citing the minutiae of democratic justice as a reason to be brought back to the UK is breathtaking given the absolute contempt in which democracy is held in large swathes of the Muslim world. ISIS in particular. If you don’t have UK citizenship you don’t benefit from the checks and balances that are in place to protect you. Particularly if you commit a crime in a lawless hellhole like ISIS held Syria.

So just in case I haven’t made my position clear it is thus. F**k the nasty little hypocritical bigot and let her rot in the squalid consequences of her own actions with only her invisible friend in the sky for company. After all surely a Jihadi is under the divine protection of the almighty. Right?
 
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NeverEnough

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Latest appeal rejected on all counts.


They will "fight on" apparently. I would be fascinated to know who is funding these endless appeals.

For the moment at least though I will just say this.

Rot in your own consequences terrorist. And religious bigot.
 
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annanuttall

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She's no longer a UK citizen - she lost that right when she ran off to join ISIS. As far as I'm concerned, she no longer belongs in the UK.
She made her bed - now she has to lie in it. Hash, but true.
 
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NeverEnough

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Ah yes Farage who excuses his hateful rhetoric as a teen with “but I was young”. Double standards when you consider Shamima was 15 and groomed.
I don’t want her back here but let’s be real about that Farridge bloke.
Either you ARE responsible for your behaviour at 15 or you are not. He can’t have it both ways.
There is a clear difference between being mean to school pupils and running off to join a murderous terrorist cult.

Think about your words. You are making a moral equivalence between words and live streamed beheadings of aid workers. Farages “victims” have gone on to have full, and successful lives, Shamima’s victims are headless corpses denied any form of dignity in death and probably even a decent burial. How are the two even remotely comparable?

And Shamima wasn’t groomed, she tried this approach through numerous court cases and it always failed. She knew exactly what she was doing, she was exactly where she wanted to be, and there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if history had turned out differently and ISIS hadn’t been defeated she would STILL be popping out the next generation of Jihadi.
 
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NeverEnough

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So this is the same piece of legislation that the fragrant Shamima is relying on. This guy is now £240k richer.


Now I realise he didn’t do anything really serious, like bully kids in the schoolyard 40 years ago, it was a simple case of an execution style double murder and kidnapping of a prison officer. But he became “severely depressed” when kept in confinement because it appeared some other inmates wanted to kill him.

So this is the madness of this legislation. I do not care if this guy has gone completely mad. I don’t care if he’s coated his balls in peanut butter and tried to climb the walls of his cell using only his lips. He lost any consideration for sympathy from me the second he pulled the trigger. Twice. Rot and go crazy you absolute bastard. Zero value in life, zero value in death.

As for the ECHR, well how are the the politicians who want to replace it with something fit for purpose wrong exactly?

So anyhow, this was how he was spending his rehabilitation time.


Looks like he found the glory of Allah and acted accordingly.
 
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NeverEnough

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I think 100% her parents were an influence. I have probably said it before but the account she tells of her mum taking her to the bystop when she ended up flying tk turkey (to me anyway) sounds like the mum knew what she was doing, anyone else get that impression somehow?
I don’t know enough of Shamima’s parents to speculate, but her mate Amira Abase was 100% influenced by her dad. This is him, teddy bear in hand, giving a stellar performance about the return of his darling.

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And this is him, face contorted in hate, having a pleasant afternoons flag burning at an extremist rally

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Not “our” child. His.
 

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Tublet83

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Send her baby back here and leave her to rot. She made her choice, shows no remorse and I don’t want to pay for her coming back.

Poor baby should be given an opportunity to thrive unlike her other two children
 
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NeverEnough

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How is it her home? Nope, we tried to pass her to Bangladesh and they rightfully said no thanks. They don't want our radicalised children.
She's in her mid 20s and hasn't been a child in many years. And is apparently rehabilitated, according to her anyway.

Isn't life in a Muslim majority country all she has ever dreamed of. Surely the mighty jihadi welcomes death so she can join Allah?

She is no longer British and therefore is most assuredly not our problem. Shamims is Shamima's problem. A problem she made herself.
 
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